I agree!!

I ope we are all wise enough to remember what our great country is founded on. Remember the inspired consiiution, and how adhearing to it will keep our country strong. Freedoom of speech is a God given right, lets respect it fo all. We have been strong because we have been willing to work for what we get, and have had high moral standards, consistant with what the Lord has given us to live by. It is a sad thing that President Obama want's us to be a welfare nation, dependant on the too strong central Government, and totally dependant on them, so we can be controlled by them. Think of that. That is not happiness or freedom. I am aware that help is sometimes needed and appreciate that. But we are being encouraged to rely too much on Government . It will destroy us and our nation. Are we willing to settle for being in bondage to dictators. Lets remember who we really are. and take back our freedom and pride in ourselves and America. To change where we are headed. We need to do it by our VOTE.. Our administration is making us weak and not respected any more by other nations. Not helping us be Stronger or self reliant so we can have pride in who we as Americans are. Heaven help us if we don't see what is happening and vote to change it. Joyce W.

my feelings exactly as that is what we need in our leadership

I agree.....why??????????????....the name of his church is THE CHURCH OF JUESUS CHRIST....why Christains, are not vote for him??????????? he is a Chistain.....maby the diference is that "MORMONS" ( tha name bad people used in antiquity for persecuted them) are the most faithfull in the world of Christains.!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that a candidates religion should have nothing to do with his qualifications to be president. Mr. Romney, unfortunately, has shown a shockingly callous disregard for the poor and underprivileged, and, as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I can't imagine why any other 'Mormons' would vote for him.

@ Bob. "Shockingly callous disregard for the poor and underprivileged"? Do you know how much he gives in fast offerings? Do you know how much he donates to charities that help less fortunate? Do you know what service he has given? Politically speaking, he didn't say he didn't care about the poor, he said that there are government programs specifically for the poor. He was concerned about the middle class who is severely hurting in this economy and doesn't have the government help. Just as I wouldn't speak for other members, I don't think you should either. We're all capable of coming to our own conclusions of who to vote for by studying each candidate and through prayer.

To Kim; Look at his policy proposals; they would hurt the poor terribly. He just doesn't understand or care about people who don't have seven mansions, and elevators for their cars.

Romney's charitable giving is a matter of record, at least on the one tax return he's submitted. Last year he gave $4.5 million to the Mormon church which was his tithe, and $500 thousand to his and Ann's charitable trust. Other than taking care of it's own, the LDS church has little charitable outreach other than modest disaster relief. The Romney's own charity is also somewhat specious, doling out small contributions to various conservative causes while accumulating over $10 million in assets.

Bob Fantina...you have wrong information!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......believe me...Romney has given more than a lot of other rich politicians!!!!!!!!!!!!!! who have given NOTHING,,,is juat Romney 15 years ago dindn´t think be a plitician!!!,,he gives as anonymous!!!!. That is the diference!!!!!!!
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High standards and morals, in some circumstances. But he has shown that he will say anything at all to get elected. And his proposed policies would be a disaster for all but the richest segment of society.

amen to that Janelle-- a little of the back to the moral value of any amount would be a great change and a welcome one for me!! As for Bob--- it is very obvious that you are the victim of some 'good old boys baloney' as you do not have facts only opinions of others and not accurate ones at best--- I live on a meager income and have worked hard for what I get and I still have some to share whether in kind or in
money. Some would have us believe we must all have the same amount, but some would not spend it wisely no matter how much they had! Get real and give up your dream of utopia as it is only for those that are willing to work for it!!!

I agree......Janelle.....absolutly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...people said , few years ago...."I don´t care if President is a black men,,,," so I'don´t care if now is Mormon.....Mormons are good,,,almos everybody know that....is just other religions teaches us that they are not...BUT IS NOT TRUE, IS FALSE,,,THAT CHURCH IS, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST.......so..OF COURSE THEY ARE CHRISTAINS...just READ!! the name in the Chapels!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

Bob fantina. every men elected follow a plan......but I'm sore,,,that Romney is follow that plan because he really want to become the president to do good thing for everybody, not just for reach.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not all Christians are hypocrites, but sadly, many are. The proclaim to follow the teachings of the Savior, but would deprive the poor of much needed aid (food stamps, health care, etc.). The Savior reached out to the poor and downtrodden, unlike may so-called 'Christians' today.

This is for Bob Fantina. 50% of the US Citizens poor and downtrodden? I know some who trodden right down to the convenience stores to cash their food stamp debit card for cigarettes and booze while their children's stomach's are empty. Distribution of wealth by the Federal Government should assure those paying for it that the wealth is helping the poor and downtrodden not starving the children of those who choose vices of destruction.

Chooseu Thisday: I don't know where you got the 50% figure.
Yes, there are abuses. In a ward I lived in in NJ, I was once assisting at the bishops storehouse. I helped load groceries into cars far new than mine, and far more expensive. These people were abusing the system. Would you suggest that bishop storehouses be shut down, because some people abuse them? Of course not. There need to be measures in place to at least minimize such abuses, whether within the Church or the government, but some people will always find a way to abuse the system. You don't let innocent people suffer because of the infractions of some of them; or at least, I don't think that is right.

@Bob (again...) A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks since President Obama took office, according to the latest official government data, as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program.

This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans.

Since the recession ended in June 2009, the number of new enrollees to Social Security's disability insurance program is twice the job growth figure.
Obama is responsible for more people on Welfare than at any time in history - does this make you proud??? There is also more fraud and now Obama is showing ads for people to go collect food stamps, another program that is now at record levels!! You should realize because of your supposed knowledge of the LDS church, that welfare should be a last resort! He promised "We will fundamentally change the U.S. of America." Well, he was right; unfortunately, he has changed us for the worse and not for the better!!! Hope this Hope & Change is what you want!

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/disability-check-numbers-balloon-under-obama#ixzz20FHwKqzi

@Dotty. You obviously have no idea how the Federal Disability Insurance program works. You don't just "sign up" for it. Only folks who have paid into Social Security are eligible and the award is based on a similar formula to Social Security benefits. First you have to have a legitimate medical disability on which to file a claim. Most initial claims are denied. There is an appeal process that is ultimately decided by a Federal judge based on medical records and the testimony of occupational specialists who must confirm that there are no jobs in the local economy that you are capable of performing. Last year's awards represent a 14% increase from 2008, hardly a "balloon". http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/ProgData/awards.html

I am proud of Jane Pitt and al who have the courage to speak out for good.Our country needs this. JAW

Running a successful, profit-making business is not the same as running a country. Mr. Romney had the freedom to buy and gut smaller companies, laying off thousands of employees in the process, while making huge profits for Bain. That is not a model to follow when running a country. A president must implement polices that benefit all citizens, not just 'shareholders.' Mr. Romney may be a brilliant, ruthless business man, but he'd be a disaster as president.

Like Bob, I plan to vote for the President, but I don't think Mitt Romney would be a disaster as President, nor do I think that he would, when in office, be as callous as his campaign rhetoric might now lead us to believe. He was very generous with his time and wealth when serving as a Mormon Bishop (equivalent to a protestant minister) and as a Mormon Stake President (equivalent to a Catholic bishop). He is much warmer in person than he comes across in debates or making speeches. His father was one of the very best governors Michigan ever had. Even the unions ended up liking him.

Dear Bob, Thanks for knowing so much about how other people will treat the poor and downtrodden, it gives me the shakes to have someone tell me what I will do, when each case and each problem when it exists in varying circumstances is different. I am most worried about the direction of our country and the elected leaders who are laying us to waste with poor policy and encouraging dependency.
People have come to expect "free" freedom.

Barb Cram; I'm not sure I understand your comment about knowing how people will treat the poor. Mr. Romney has been very clear on his proposals for slashing benefits for the poor. You might try reading some facts.
I'm sorry that you don't like the direction Mr. Obama has taken the nation: one war ended, hemorrhaging of jobs staunched, and poor children being able to see doctors. Doesn't sound bad to me!

FOR BOB: We deserve a president who was thoroughly vetted by his party and the media, not someone whom the DNC now admits was never even eligible for the job. There are many other men, Black, Hispanic, of Asian descent, Native American, and even Caucasian who are many times more qualified and eligible to be the president. If he had even a shred of self respect, Barack would resign and convince Joe Biden to do so as well, so that someone with a backbone could fix the mess Obama (NOT George Bush) has made much worse. Obama said he would bring unity to the country; instead, he has brought class warfare and fanned the flames of racism by saying that his son would look like Travon Martin. When the Pharisees asked Jesus what the greatest commandment was, he replied, “‘you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’” In our home, race is not an issue; everyone is welcome and treated respectfully. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” I have lived this way all my life and never judge others; it is God’s job to judge, not mine. There is a big difference between loving the person and accepting the sin; I can love the person and still hate the things they do. The media was quick to condemn Sarah Palin’s daughter for getting pregnant (or was it because she chose to have the baby?), but at least she owned up and took responsibility for her actions...and didn't have an abortion!

Thoroughly vetted? Good lord, Obama was one of the most thoroughly vetted candidates in history. Romney on the other hand refuses to release more than 1 year of tax returns and destroyed all evidence of his governorship when he left office. Romney has more secrets than the Real Housewives of Atlanta.

I Absoloutly Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....

@Dotty, "even the DNC now admits" that "Obama was not eligible for the job"? What planet are you on, sister? Cite your source, please. That is as big a whopper as I have heard in years! The DNC is the Democratic National Committee (you knew that, right, Dotty?). And they "admit" no such thing. If they did, it would be front page news on every newspaper in the country! As the gypsies said in Man of La Mancha, "I hear the cuckoo singing in the Cuckooberry tree."

Rachael, I am actually replying to Brian Crawford: Are you out of your ever-lovin' mind? There is so much secrecy in Obama's background that not even the CIA can find out about ALL his hidden secrets! Sheeshhh...you aren't thinking for yourself when you comment. He was NEVER THOROUGHLY VETTED! Please give me an example, because even his own "fans" are at a loss to explain why and how he kept so much information hidden... Sarah Palin is the one who was THOROUGHLY VETTED to the point that all of us know even too much about her! Try Googling Obama's past and you'll find a goldmine of information that you probably don't want to hear! To this day, many of his college records are sealed -- why is that??? Have you ever done that - do you even know how a person goes about getting their records sealed???

I don't wish to judge anyone, but if he lived the Savior's teachings, wouldn't he have compassion for the poor? Wouldn't he want to strengthen, rather than destroy, the safety net that so many of them must rely on? Wouldn't he want to enable poor people to provide their suffering children with health care? Like Mr.Romney, I'm an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, but I will vote for President Obama in November.

@ Bob: Government assistance is NOT compassion for the poor. Since when is it compassion when we are compelled to do it? It's compassion when we do it voluntarily, and out of the goodness of our hearts. It's compassion when individuals and private organizations work together to improve a person's situation by teaching them to take care of them self. Remember the Savior's principle of teaching a man to fish? THAT is Christianity. Not stealing money from people, like me who struggle every day to keep a roof over my family's head, and food on the table, to support millions of welfare abusers.

I am an active member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I pay tithing and fast offerings with full confidence that every single penny is being used as the Lord sees fit to relieve human suffering, and teach principles of self reliance and provident living.

Does government have a role in taking care of some people who are not able to do so for themselves? Sure, but what we have now is a complete disaster, and is crippling more people than it is helping. I would love to see Mitt Romney use the Church's Welfare Program as a template for a MAJOR overhaul of the current government system! http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/topic/welfare-and-self-reliance

COMPULSION IS NOT COMPASSION.

@ Bob: This is an amazing quote by Penn Jillette that illustrates this point beautifully!
"It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people yourself is compassion. Voting to have our government use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness. People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered. If we're compassionate, we'll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint."

Bob Fantina......so you are mormon.........well...if you are mormon,,,,,,why you prefere more benefit for poor, over life for babies (about abortion)? or omosexual marriage over the marriage as God stated it??? I don´t understand????,,,,I thought that this are very serious things for mormons, so what do you believe? why you are member but are not agree with this comandment, NOT TO KILL, and NOT SEXUAL SINS?????? please explain me.....

Janet Parke I BELIEVE YOU!!!!!!!

Voting for those who support the use of tax dollars to help the poor is, indeed, an act of compassion for someone who is a taxpayer. As Hubert Humphrey put it, "the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped." How I wish that man had been elected President instead of Richard Nixon!

Great Humphrey quote.

Very true. And Mr. Romney, when campaigning for Senate against the late Senator Ted Kennedy, said he'd be a better friend to the gay and lesbian community than Mr.Kennedy. Mr. Romney has changed his position on abortion, healthcare and same-sex marriage. No one knows what he really believes, since he'll say just about anything to get elected.

Obama has missed MANY opportunities to show his Christian faith, yet he chooses not to. He is always careful to do "photo ops" so he can say, "See how good I am..." but to me this is just phony baloney on his part. I don't claim he is a Muslim, but I do know he very much favors Islam in many respects. Look around, there are Muslim Brotherhood members currently in our government - how's that hit you???

Gregory Spencer, , you are right....maby doctors can make Mitt doubt about when is good abortion for save mother or for not make the babies live with limitation that will make so hard life for them........Doctors BUSINESS are like this.........But i think mormons, as I have get to know, are not agree with this,,,,,,and i think, the abortion it is not necesary.........is a BUSINESS for DOCTORS!!!!!!!! as vaccines and other things.!!!!!!!!!!!!! so what do you think about guys!!!!!

Well, I think Mormons are friends for gays,,,,,,always,,,,,but to help them not to give them what they want..........................is what I have seen.....they have an special program for help them if they want....am i right????

@Dotty: Sorry, but you are getting your information from highly unreliable sources (professional Obama haters who have no regard at all for truth). Take a look, some time, at the high number of wingnut pronouncements about the President that end up on the "False" or "Pants on Fire" end of the PolitiFact Truthometer. Right wingers (and more generally fire breathers on both ends of the political spectrum) do not fare well with the professional fact checkers. I think we should all be reluctant to repeat internet rumors about the opposing candidate that come from such sources: One of the Lord's Ten Commandments is not to bear false witness against our neighbors, and the wingnut Christian right will have some explaining to do on that score come Judgment Day, as will many of those on the far left who untruthfully accused President Bush of unseemly behaviors.

@Dotty: As for the President's public professions of faith, they are at least as frequent as were those of President Eisenhower and President Nixon (and those of President Washington and Jefferson, for that matter). All found it somewhat unseemly to "wear their religion on their sleeve."

I do know that when Barack Obama graduated from Law School, he did so as the first black Editor-In-Chief of the Harvard Law Review, the most prestigious position a law student can achieve. He had his pick of big city law firms offering six figure salaries and fast tracks to lucrative partnerships. Instead, he chose to work as a meagerly paid community organizer in Chicago. He made real personal financial sacrifices in an attempt to honor the Savior's injunction to be "mindful of the poor." He has since married a very capable Harvard lawyer, and made enough money to become financially comfortable (though not a tithe as much as Mitt Romney). He does try very hard to use the power of Government to help the financially desperate survive.

There are some among the poor who take welfare benefits fraudulently, as their are some among physicians who commit Medicaid fraud. I hesistate to condemn the entire class because of a few bad actors. I wish that private charities could provide the needed relief, and that Government could get out of the business. But anyone who thinks that could happen any time soon, without great suffering among the worthy poor, is smoking something illegal.

Bob you are so wrong. Obama will strip us of any freedom we have and as a business owner I will have to let workers go just to keep my doors open. Why do people not get this????? The poor need jobs and be able to provide for their families. Obama will kill that. Romeny is a good man with a level head and will be such a positive for this country. Thank goodness he has the courage to even run for President. We need him. His faith helps me to feel even more sure we have a good man in the White house. At least I know he will consult God in his decisions.

Romney wants what the Church stands for - WORKING for your handouts, if possible. Obviously there are many that cannot because of mental/physical conditions, but for those collecting welfare year after year when they could be working instead of making babies so they can stay on the taxpayer's dime, they should be WORKING! How any LDS member can vote for a liberal is beyond me. You are endorsing abortion and same-sex marriage by supporting this evil man. Each president will have their negative points (like us all) but to support a man who cares not for morals is wrong. Would Heavenly Father vote for someone who believes those things are right? I think not...

Free will is a precious thing, and the spiritual guidance we seek is important to each of us. Increasing government which seeks to rein over our personal choices and instead of protecting us from enemies seeks to protect us from ourselves is a very poor choice indeed. If I make a mistake I should pay for it, if I am poor and downtrodden, of course, I would like help and opportunity to improve my lot in life. In this country we have the best chance here than anywhere else on earth. Let's keep it that way!

Dear Bob,
Active member or not, A vote for Obama is a vote that is disastrous for this country. You can choose to be a socialist/communist as a member the the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints, but I don't think you will find the Savior and Redeemer to be on the same page as you! Do you think that Mr Obama is really for the poor and needy? I will assure that any man who will pass and vote laws without the support of anyone else does not have anyone's best interest at heart...except his own agenda!

Questions:
What freedoms will Obama remove from us?
Why do you trust Romney when he says he opposes abortion and same-sex marriage, when he endorsed them as a candidate for U.S. senate?
Many people are poor not because they made a mistake, but because they were born to drug-abusing or alcoholic parents, or because a greedy, ruthless corporate raider fired them and dissolved their pensions. Would the Savior turn them away?
Why would the Savior not be on the same page as me, when I want to help the poor (which he did continually during his mortal ministry)? It is Mr. Romney, and several of these posters, who disdain the poor.
Nothing anything anyone has said here holds any water for me. I'd love to vote for a Church member for President, but not Mr. Romney. I moved to Canada in 2005 because of the disastrous policies of President Bush; Mr. Romney would be George Bush on steroids: more wars, more suffering for the poor, more poor people, more money for the rich. That doesn't sound much like what the Savior would want. Check out the beatitudes.

Bob -- WOW, your comments are incredibly ignorant and naive! Mr. Obama has hurt our country more than anyone in the past 100 years or longer! His policies are taking away our freedoms; he acts so pious and wanting to help, yet he turns around and takes jobs away from our own country; his leader of the Jobs Counsel, Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of G.E., is outright outsourcing jobs to China and is actively pursuing a contract with China to make large aircraft (like Boeing builds) to compete with America! You are so screwed up with your thinking processes, that I am surprised you can use a computer. Mitt Romney cares and LOVES America -- unlike Obama who doesn't really like America. I hope you'll wake up and realize that our Celebrity-in-Chief has been drastically and methodically destroying our America!!! The Affordable Care Act is a joke -- a Trillion Dollar Joke at that! If you think Americans can afford this atrocity of supposed health "care", you are really up in the night!!

I could list a million reasons not to vote for Nobama:
Why do very few even remember him from college? Why are most of his college records "sealed?" Who does that unless there is SOMETHING to hide? His past acquaintances are from the "who's who" of radicals...! (should make you wonder)...
He posted a verbal slip that was made on "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos. Obama on talking about his religion said, "My Muslim faith". When questioned, "he made a mistake". Some mistake huh?
All of the above information I got on line. If you would like to check it - Wikipedia, encyclopedia, Barack Obama; Tony Rezko; Valerie Jarrett: Daily Times - Obama visited Pakistan in 1981; The Washington Times - September 7, 2008; The Times May 10, 2008.
Now the BIG question - If I found out all this information on my own, Why haven't all of our "intelligent" members of the press been reporting this? Is this a Kettle of Fish?? As Arsenio Hall would say.----"HUMMMMMMM! Does something stink or is it my imagination?" These are legitimate questions for our president.

I'M NOT ASKING ANYONE READING THIS TO BELIEVE ME...Go on line and it is very easy to find!!!

You claim that "we" shouldn't listen to Fox News...well, perhaps you shouldn't listen to MSNBC...as you are espousing all of their rhetoric! Me thinks you must be a "good union member," and just cannot tolerate the other side of the "story..." Everything you say is the Liberal talking points -- got anything to say for yourself, other than that you are concerned for the poor???

@Dotty: You may not know it, but two different studies conducted by two different universities during two different years came to the same conclusion: Those who get their television news from Fox News are more likely to believe things that are demonstrably untrue, and are more likely to be ignorant of important current events, than people who watch no TV news at all.

Fox News is a propaganda mill. It was designed as such by Roger Ailes, who outlined his intentions in a recommendation made to President Nixon. It is not, really and truly, a reputable news organization.

I agree with that comment, Pamela. I think we should seek good men and wise men to govern us. Whether a wise rascal (Jefferson, FDR, Clinton) is better than a foolish saint (Carter?, Bush) is always an interesting question. What I think most conservative Christians do is try to persuade themselves, unfairly and unwisely, that Barack Obama is not a person of good moral character, or that he does not love God, family and country. Glenn Beck, to his eternal shame, and other Fox News propagandists, and the viciously dishonest right wing internet mill, slander the president's faith over and over again. President Obama lives family values as well as any President in recent memory. His aides say that every night, on the campaign trail, he took the time to call his daughters and really visit with them. There is not a whiff of scandal in terms of the President's personal sexual morality. He actively encourages men in his ethnic community to be faithful fathers and husbands. He has been burned by his association with Reverand Wright, who for all of his overheated rhetoric was a very good marriage counselor for the Obamas, but there is no more reason to attribute Wright's inappropriate rhetoric to the President than there is to attribute the racism of Jimmy Carter's Southern Baptist Congregation to that very fine and non-prejudiced person. To my mind, Mitt Romney and Barack Obama are both good men. I would love to have either as my neighbor.

Well said. I agree that Just enabling people is not the way. Romney's quote that he was not concerned about the poor because they have a safety net is taken out of context to "prove" he does not care about them and can not relate to them. I am sure that he has helped many climb out of poverty in his roles as Bishop and Stake President. .

Sorry, I just can't agree. Romney's proposals would slash assistance for the most needy of society: vulnerable children. Perhaps some people think these young children should be put to work, but a truly compassionate society takes care of the most vulnerable. Romney would stomp them into the ground. Check out this article:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-romney-would-slash-health-care-for-the-poor-20120201

Thank you, KJayne; yes, Mitt is a wonderful man and he is the kind of man - a businessman with talent to turn our country around, and a man of deep devotion to his family. We need this kind of man in America. Mitt has been profusely generous with the poor and in his past behavior in taking care of the people in his congregation as a bishop. If you think this is a small job, people, think again. It is a huge job and he did it incredibly well. I hope most Americans will realize that we need a man of virtue to lead us - and away from the man in office who espouses love for our enemies!

I don't expect President Obama to give me anything; I expect him to work to take care of the poor, enable people to attend higher education without their parents having to mortgage their home, and to provide health care for everyone. Also, to end the war in Afghanistan, and not start any new ones.
Regarding the National Debt, check out this site: http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Presidental-Term.htm
Reagan and the first Bush increased the national debt far more than Mr. Obama has. Look at both the annual average and the percent. You may be surprised.

Yes...perhaps instead of golfing every few days, he should take his girls out and spend the time with them? I'm not saying he doesn't do this but I would be worried "if" Michelle Obama were my mother!!!

Again, Dotty, you are getting bad information from Obama haters. The President actually takes many fewer vacation days than Ronald Reagan did. But no matter what he does, he will be ruthlessly and falsely criticized. Shame on you for being suckered by these folks.

Hi Sarahito; see my reply to you below. I inadvertently put it in the wrong place.

LDS church has one of the best welfare programs in existence and Mr. Romney is well aware I am sure as a prior Bishop and Stake President of welfare needs and the immediacy and longevity and importance of those needs. I think you are a hard and fast Obama supporter, and aren't open logic, which is fine. Just agree that you disagree because some of your positions and "facts" are incomplete, inaccurate and otherwise unfounded.

Bob: In a new movie, filmmaker D. D‘Souza asks why George (Obama's half-brother) lives in poverty despite his brother’s prominence. He tells the president’s brother that past news reports have exposed that Obama has done little to help his brother. George quickly responds, saying, “I think he has a family of his own. I’m a member of his family, but I’m over-age, so I help myself.” WOW, his own half-brother realizes he should try to help himself, where as Obama thinks it is his job to force laws upon us...I think the wrong Obama got to be president!!!

Obama was never a professor of Constitutional law; he was a teacher of a class. (That's assuming what he says. We still don't have any proof of anything he did, other than he was at Columbia for (maybe) 2 years.) And the Jesus Christ I know would never demand money from one person in order to give it to another person. He was always preaching to individuals to do the right thing, and never got government involved in his good works. I am LDS, I pay my tithes and fast offerings, support charitable organizations in my area, and contribute to national ones. I am a better arbiter of how my money should be spent on helping the poor than any government entity. The federal govt is the most inefficient, wasteful and costly way of distributing taxpayer largesse, and I'm sure Mr. Romney knows that. The states should be in charge of taking care of their citizens, without any input from the feds. If Romney can cut the size of the federal beast, free up the states to do the jobs they do best, and get Washington out of my pocket, more power to him. I'm sure Obama is not going to do any of those things.

Bob- Apparently you have NEVER been to the welfare office, they all drive escalsdes, have $400 cell phones and don't really need to be on welfare. Maybe if they bought food instead of their HUGE cell phone bill, they wouldn't need to be on welfare. Obama should take fewer vacations and less golf outings and give that money to the "poor and needy" (I use that phrase lightly). Did you know that through obamacare if you sell your house, you will have to pay taxes on the total amount of money you sell it for. Why should I be penalized because I can support myself? I am a single mom and work hard to support me and my child, I shouldn't have to support everyone else and their children because they are too lazy to work!

@Candace. Just for the record, your information regarding RE transactions and Obamacare is incorrect.

You need to stay in Canada and stay out of America's business. You have no guts to live in your own country. You're not a citizen as far as I'm concerned and could care less about what you say. You want to come back here and talk, we'll talk, otherwise, keep your trash in Canada.
Worthless dribble....

Unfortunately, you didn't help me understand anything. You said that this lady you spoke to said they had free language training, job training, etc. And you seem to be saying that these are no longer good things. You seem to contradict your own point.
As far as being open minded about Romney helping people who cannot help themselves, that is simply not true. Look at his proposals. They hurt the most vulnerable members of society.

Amen, James -- well said!!!

Come now, Apd. The President took charge at the onset of the worst recession since the Great Depression, and faced a near melt-down of our financial system and the near disintegration of our auto industry and a GOP Senate Minority Leader who publicly and pompously stated that his first priority in life was to make sure the President served only one term. Despite the unprecedented use of the filibuster by that very same Senate Minority Leader, and an attempt by Congressional Republicans to shut down the Government, and a hale of calumnies as vicious as any President has ever faced, this President has avoided the Depression threat, rescued the financial system, rescued the auto companies, and helped the economy begin creating private sector jobs (though the public sector is bleeding jobs because of deficit-induced cuts in the funding of domestic programs). He has also wound down the unwise war in Iraq and is winding down the war in Afghanistan. And he extended Romneycare nationally, giving those who are struggling at least some hope of obtaining health care coverage that most industrial nations provide to all citizens as a matter of right. I think he has done very well, given the mess he inherited.

Shane, that is twaddle and nonsense. Obama is not a socialist at all. He never has been, except in the minds of you wingnuts. And authoritarian dictatorships are the purveyors of Satan's plan. When sociologists conduct studies to determine which nations have the happiest citizens, do you know which countries almost routinely rank highest on the scale? The Scandinavians, who you would no doubt regard as socialist, but who have free elections, freedom of speech and assembly, freedom of religion -- a Bill fo Rights and personal liberty every bit as thoroughgoing as our own. Please recall that Enoch's Zion, the Nephites of 4 Nephi, the Christians who lived in Jerusalem after Christ's ascension, and the saints of Orderville, Utah in Brigham Young's era, all lived in communalistic societies (holding "all things in common") more socialistic than Scandinavia.

Anp, fact checkers say that the Obamas have taken fewer vacations per month in office than the Reagans and the Bushes. And all Presidents take them at public expense because they must be guarded by the Secret Service. Too many haters, who tickle their ears and those of the likeminded with vicious nonsense, want to kill them.

You may not agree with what The Church of Jesus Christ teaches and believes but if you paid any attention to all of the good in welfare and disaster relief you would know that that church is not bad. "by their fruits ye shall know them" Mathew 7:20

I'm well aware of their "fruit". My ex wife's a convert. You forgot the first part of that scripture. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." Matthew 7:15.

What a bunch of "know nothingness..." That's probably not a word; however, when you claim that Governor Romney could "bicycle through France..." is nonsense! Perhaps he did ride a bike, but he wasn't over there enjoying the countryside! Missionaries are kept busy 24/7/365... One of my grandsons is currently on a mission in Argentina and he lives with 2 other missionaries in a small, rather rundown apartment in a rather downtrodden area of Buenos Aires! It is so cold there right now that he has to wear two jackets to stay warm. I don't know if Mitt had those kind of conditions but they aren't rare! Many missionaries spend their two plus years in relatively uncomfortable conditions throughout the world. Just as my son did, my grandson will come home a man, not a boy any longer! Also, if the Southern Baptist Convention is of any count, then shame on them for saying the Mormon Church is a cult!!! We ARE NOT a cult and we ARE Christians! Perhaps you should spend a little more time looking up your information, or quit listening to the far left loons. If You truly love Nobama, I feel sorry or you; your love will not be returned and he will end up disappointing you by ruining America as we know it. He is a far-left radical and if you don't accept that, you are deaf, dumb and blind!

No quarrel that welfare programs can be abused, and when abuses are found, they need to be corrected. The President believes that, too. He has supported vigorous programs for weeding out fraud, waste and abuse. And he has used his "bully pulpit" regularly to urge black men (and all men) to honor their obligations as fathers, and stay with and support their families, some times to the point that more liberal black leaders have criticized him for "blaming the victim." He knows from his experience as a community organizer that there are people who are in need because they are merely unfortunate, and there are people who are in need because they have serious emotional or physical problems or are just inept, and there are people who are in need because they are reckless or lazy. Neither Government nor private programs weed out all of the "unworthy," although we Mormons are urged by our Nephite Prophet King Benjamin to be very careful about who we judge to be unworthy of help, since none of us are truly worthy of what our Father has freely given us.

I dislike the negative ads on both sides. There was some substance to the Obama ad: As Governor, Mitt did hire a company to provide a customer service phone bank that they outsourced to India (he did not do the outsourcing directly), and then he vetoed a bill that would have denied Massachusetts contracts to firms that outsourced American jobs to India and other foreign locations. But believe me, Dotty, if you bother checking who gets the lower scores on PolitiFact's Truthometer, Mitt's attack dogs are going to fare far worse than Obama's. I did that checking yesterday. Mitt"s SuperPACs are consistently awful (unsurprising, since many are run by Karl Rove, an inveterate and unapologetic liar), and far worse than Obama's.

Winnie, it's because so-called "Christians" claim that their views on Christ are the only correct ones. So because we don't have the same beliefs about him, i.e. that he is a separate being from God, His Father, we don't actually believe in the REAL Jesus Christ, therefore, we are not "Christians" by their definition. STUPID. I love it when other people try to tell me what I believe, and that my personal savior is not the real Jesus. Kind of mind boggling and ARROGANT.

I certainly do not hate Mitt Romney. I love the man as a person. I would love to have him as a neighbor. Same for Barack Obama. I can't understand the extreme spite I hear spouted by LDS and non-LDS "Christians" when describing this very fine, good-hearted family man.

I happen to agree with Obama on political issues (war and peace, spending priorities, tax policy) more than I agree with what Mitt has been saying of late, so I will campaign and vote for the President. But I wish all of us would focus our political comversations on the wisdom or foolishness of the policies of our two candidates for President, and not on spurious and ill-founded accusations of Satanic influence or conspiracy to deprive the nation of its civil rights. There is no truth to these allegations, and the cynicism they engender is far more damaging to this country than any error in political judgment on either side.

No, it's more the impact the LDS church has had on my children. We had a long discussion about this on Patch last week. I have Mormon friends who I admire a great deal, but like most Protestants I view Joseph Smith as an apostate. Since you folks have no problem knocking on my door trying to convince me otherwise I figure Romney's religion is fair game.

Those aren't my words, they're from scripture. And I wouldn't think they would apply to you unless you claim to be a prophet. I was thinking more of Joseph Smith.

Laena, it is debatable whether we are the most prosperous nation on earth any more. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

On this measure (which takes purchasing power into consideration) we rank seventh, behind Qatar, Luxemborg, Singapore, Norway, Brunei and Hong Kong.

Honest? Trustworthy? In my eyes he's a draft dodger and tax evader, not to mention the world's greatest flip flopper. While my brothers were serving in Vietnam he was living in a Parisian palace riding his bicycle around France. He'll say whatever necessary to get elected.

Swiss bank accounts, Cayman Island tax havens, Bermuda shell corporations. Why won't he release his tax returns? What's he hiding? Why did he wipe all of the hard drives when he left the governors office? He wants to help the country by returning to the exact same economic policies that destroyed our economy and outsourced millions of jobs.

Sally, actually, Bain did make money on several companies that they ran into bankruptcy. They did it by substituting debt for equity (the banks foolishly leant them more than they should have leant them), then dividended out the equity, and let the lenders take the fall.

But other times, Bain was helpful, helping companies become more efficient so that they could compete better and grow.

Where did I say I was judging Romney because of the amount of money he has? I could care less how much money anyone has; it's how he got it and what he's done with it that concerns me. There are plenty of gazillionaires and business leaders that I admire; Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Lee Iacocca, etc. The thing I hate most about Romney is that he talks out of both sides of his mouth. That and the draft dodger thing....I wonder if his bicycle had a little bell on it.

Hi Tonya - The church's own website is http://mormon.org/. I suppose that is part of the reason why people tend to use the name Mormon.

Brian, I truly feel sorry for you. It sounds like your bitterness has clouded the way you think. You need to do more research and find the truth about Mitt Romney before you spout off. Check out missionary work as a starter.Check out Mitt. The way he earned his money is the way we all would be well to immulate, by honesty and hard work. He will serve our country well.JAW

Then please stop knocking on my door trying to convince me that your Book of Mormon has the same authority as The Holy Bible and that your Jesus is superior to my Jesus.

Actually, cc, wouldn't it be more compassionate to share your fish while teaching the poor starving person to fish?

I always invite they elders in for a cold drink of water and a kind word. I feel sorry for them.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/articles/2012/06/05/romneys_non_military_record_faces_new_scrutiny/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6fzD6zTrVo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/8959440/US-election-2012-Mitt-Romneys-life-as-a-poor-Mormon-missionary-in-France-questioned.html

Sure, let's all agree that there is but one Christ. But let's also agree that contradictory statements about the nature and being of that one Christ can't logically be true. I suppose we can attempt to rewrite essential doctrines and capitulate on the tenets of whatever faith we hold, but to suggest that orthodox Christianity and Mormonism worship the same Christ is to be either willfully ignorant or naive about the teaching of both.

Well said Daniel. I've been trying to find those words for weeks.

CC - I basically say the same thing. I once lived in Michigan and Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witness were a common occurrence in our neighborhood. Finally, I picked up a few (quite a few) pamphlets of the Joseph Smith Story and others, so that when they came to the door, I could say "Sure, I'll pay you.10 for your information, if you will accept mine..." After I started doing this, we didn't have quite so many show up...LOL

Kupelian is a crackpot. It's alarming that folks believe this garbage. World Net Daily is not a legitimate news source.

"Dreams From My Father" was a disgusting piece of work. I also am inclined to believe that it might have been Bill Ayers who actually penned that work for Obammer...I sure wouldn't put it past him -- he has relied on others to do most of his literary "wonders..." The man is a fraud and a cheat! He is the sorriest excuse for a leader that has ever been elected to office.