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Like 2000, Will the 2012 Election be Decided in a Courtroom?

Thousands of lawyers already deployed to battleground states.

 

The New York Times is reporting that thousands of lawyers from all around the country have already been deployed to battleground states. The reason - to be in place should there be a need Tuesday to contest each vote. According to the polls, the vote is so close at this point in the race that nobody is sure of the outcome. The NY Times reports that Democrats have 2,500 lawyers in Ohio alone, 600 of them just in Cuyahoga County.

Each party is expressing fear of sabotage and is taking advanced steps to make sure nothing illegal prevents their guy from winning.

Do you expect to know who the successful presidential candidate is by Wednesday morning or do you expect another 2000? Should that happen, how do you feel about dealing with any more highly-charged presidential politics?

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Mary Lou

12:23 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Nah..I think Romney will win it by a landslide :)

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George Wilson

12:32 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

As of 11.4 here is what 583 is reporting:
Electorial Votes:
Obama 306.9
Romney 231.1
Chance of Winning
Obama 85.1
Romney 14.9
Popular Vote
Obama 50.6
Romney 48.3

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George Wilson

12:39 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Hopefully, after Obama wins the Republican congress will get its act together for the good of the country and start working with Obama. If not, than let's replace the Republican congress in 2014.In particular we should kick out Sen. Mitch McConnell in Kentucky who said," our goal is to make President Obama a one term President."

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Mike Chubre

12:51 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

And we should kick our Harry Reid for saying he will not work with Romney. What an idiot that guy.

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Aaron Hunter

1:02 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

George are you talking about our RULER who wants us to vote for revenge?

That sounds very similar to his remarks in the past when he called Americans the enemy.

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Good Grief Y'all

3:20 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

If Mitt . . . Romney . . . wins . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . whew, sorry, had to control the shudder . . . Harry Reid will need to have a firm hand. Mitt will be a puppet for Rove and Norquist and further controlled by theTea Party. "Mr. Reid flatly ruled out following Mr. Romney’s agenda, saying he and his colleagues have already voted down many of those proposals, including House Republicans’ budget, written by Republican vice presidential nominee Rep. Paul Ryan."
“Mitt Romney has demonstrated that he lacks the courage to stand up to the tea party, kowtowing to their demands time and again. There is nothing in Mitt Romney’s record to suggest he would act any differently as president,” Mr. Reid said.

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Good Grief Y'all

3:31 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Aaron, another taken-out-of-context mis-quote. Here's why and what he said:

"voting is the best revenge," Obama aides say the comment reflects Romney "scare tactics."
Obama made the comment as part of a familiar speech riff; when audience members boo the mention of Romney's name, the president habitually says, "don't boo -- vote"

On Friday in Springfield, Ohio, Obama added the phrase: "Voting is the best revenge."

Asked about the comment, Obama campaign spokesperson Jen Psaki said Obama made the comment in the context that Romney is "closing his campaign with an ad full of scare tactics that's frightening workers in Ohio and thinking falsely that they're not going to have a job."

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Watts

6:09 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

If you want to get a real feel for who Aaron is, just read ths post that he made over in another thread:

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime."

http://loganville.patch.com/articles/like-2000-will-the-2012-election-be-decided-in-a-courtroom

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Good Grief Y'all

8:20 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I know, Watts, I saw that but considered the source and ignored it.

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Neil Stapley

4:00 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

MIKE Chubby

So it was ok for McConnell to say it but not Reid. I didnt see you anywhere coming out against the Republic congress when they stated they would not work with the President.

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Good Grief Y'all

4:12 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Neil, that Chubby guy is a fictitious something-or-other. He's just trying to taunt Mike Chubre, and feebly attempting to be funny like David and Chris. Pay him no nevermind. In other words, don't feed the trolls. Class clowns all three. :D

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JByrd

4:49 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

George-

Remember what the President said when first elected "Ha, I won".

Remember how Obamacare was pushed through? It impacts 18% of the economy directly and indirectly impacts the rest. It has generated a huge amount of uncertainty for businesses.

Why in the world did he push through Obamacare before focusing on jobs and housing? If urgent, why the 3 year delay in implementing?

Why didn't Obamacare focus more on controlling costs vs insurance reforms? That is, malpractice reforms (reduce costly defensive medicine), consumer incentive for everyone, etc.

Why did the President ask for a debt commission, but then ignored?

http://www.pgpf.org/Issues/Fiscal-Outlook/2012/09/adv-theres-no-debate-presidential-candidates-must-address-debt.aspx

I like the President, but on fiscal and business related issues, I think way off the mark.

Ever try reading Dodd-Frank? They are still trying to write the regs as the entire banking industry waits. Not just wall street, but nearly every bank.

Still waiting for detailed answers from Obama:
(1) What are your plans for comprehensive tax reform?
(2) What are your plans for entitlement reform?
(3) What are your plans for overall spending reforms?

Why these questions: See CNBC's "Are we rich or poor?" debate (worth watching):
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=1604902615

Again, I like and respect him, but not on fiscal matters.

George Wilson

1:07 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

The Republicans and their Plutocratic allies have dumped any semblance of ethics and fair play in this election. .
1. Voter suppression laws have been passed in many states with Republican dominated legislatures (sometimes these new laws are called Jim Crow lite)
2. Attempts to close traditional voting places in minority neighborhoods
3. Decreasing the number of early voting days
4. The 'Citizens United " decision has allowed huge amounts of money to be given in secret by corporations to right wing Pacs headed by such people as Karl Rove
5. Huge lies being told by the candidates without the right wing media calling them out on it
6. Depriving the Libertarian candidate of a place on the debate stage
7. Employers encouraging and intimidating employees to vote for Romney
8. Subliminal racist remarks by leading Romney supporters
The solution is for every Democrat to get out and vote and take a friend with you. Better yet take several friends.

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David

1:23 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Yeah, and don't forget how the Republicans set the date of the election on the same day my government check arrives in the mail. I can't even vote because I'll be waiting for the mailman. And my free phone should be here next week too. I can hardly wait. I'm so excited about switching parties and becoming a Liberal.

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Chris

2:04 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

David. Don't tell me you haven't gotten your phone yet. Good God! Did you tell them you need it so you could call and complain about cable TV service?

I understand how frustrated you must feel. And now... you won't get to vote either? Geeez!

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David

2:23 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

No Chris, I'm still waiting. I think it should be here next week. I asked them to ship it overnight since someone else was paying for it anyway but they put it on UPS. Something about using a union shipper being a requirement. I don't understand all the liberal stuff yet. I'm just learning.

I did ask about getting you on disability for your mental problems. They gave me a number for an attorney that specializes in that stuff. He said it takes time but should be no problem. 98% success rate. I'm looking into that versus welfare; trying to determine which gets me the most money.

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Chris

2:55 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

That is truly appalling. I appreciate you looking out for me. I had another episode this morning. Being mentally challenged is driving me crazy. I was flipping through channels and came across a story on MSNBC about how great this new "FREE HEALTHCARE" is going to be. I became so excited, I wet my pants. It's just such a marvel that we have come this far and advanced in America. Seems like just yesterday I was making Co-Pays at the doctor and now healthcare is free to all Americans and a whole bunch of people too that apparently aren't even supposed to be in this country. Why didn't we think of this a L O N G time ago? It's the best thing since that block of American welfare cheese we used to get in the 70's. I bet if we want to we can make things FREE for everybody around the world. Why would we ever pay for something that can be made FREE by a few politicians that say stupid things on TV? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3Bg_AB2pBg

I think I am going to see about getting a card that I can use at the new bottle shop in Grayson. If I can get FREE whiskey, wine and beer, I will next try the butcher shop and BestBuys.

Well David, good luck with you new iPhone. I hope they can get their act together so you can start calling and texting. Please keep us updated about your wife's abortion. You planning to do the partial birth thing or conventional coat hanger?

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Neil Stapley

4:14 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/ another myth forced upon us by the tea party.

Safelink a subsidised telephone was implimented by Bush administration in 2008.

Quote from factcheck.org

This specific program, SafeLink, started under President George Bush, with grants from an independent company created under President Bill Clinton, which was a legacy of an act passed under President Franklin Roosevelt, which was influenced by an agreement reached between telecommunications companies and the administration of President Woodrow Wilson.

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JByrd

4:51 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Both sides are playing games. We need to reform the way we vote. I used to live in NYC and actually saw "funny business". We need to balance reducing fraud with providing greater access.

Mary Lou

1:36 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Personally, I think 583 is a biased skewed joke. Just my thoughts though. I know many many many, democratic voters switching for this election, so we will see when the true votes are counted, not today, not tomorrow, but when they are allowed. So, I dont know what the polls can accurately come up with, other than how many registered democratic or Republicans registrants, have cast ballots. Hmm...wonder who the vote will really be for?

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GregRodgers

9:16 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Hmmm? How can the 538 be skewed? All it is an aggregate of all polling throughout the country. Nate Silver then uses historical data to draw his conclusion.

In 2008 he was right in 49 of 50 states in Senate races and hit model picked Obama to win based on statistical analysis.

To say the 538 is skewed is nonsense. People lie...(aka Republicans and Mitt Romney) but real numbers and past data do not.

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Good Grief Y'all

9:48 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

L o w i n f o r m a t i o n v o t e r s, Greg. In my humble opinion.

Mary Lou

1:47 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

ooops..sorry..meant 538, not 583 :P

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Watts

2:47 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

When you soberly look at the electoral college and the swing states and the polling (and the polling and the polling), it is almost inconceivable that this will actually be anywhere near close enough to be decided in courts.

Nate Silver currently has Romney's chances down to 14.9% and in this very good analysis of the numbers:

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/nov-2-for-romney-to-win-state-polls-must-be-statistically-biased/

Regarding how Obama was up in 19 of 20 swing state polls; "A tossup race isn’t likely to produce 19 leads for one candidate and one for the other — any more than a fair coin is likely to come up heads 19 times and tails just once in 20 tosses." And there have been nothing more than more polls confirming Obama's lead, especially since his handling of Sandy and Romney's complete mishandling of dodging all the FEMA questions over the past week.

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Watts

2:47 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

But I have to wonder what any Romney voters are thinking. Who knows Romney better than anybody? How about the state who actually voted him in before, as Governor. So let's take a moment to look at how the only state who has any working knowledge about how Romney governs, is voting...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ma/massachusetts_romney_vs_obama-1804.html

The average of all polls, whether you believe some to be conservative or liberal leaning, still gives Obama a 20+ point lead. So my question is, why aren't more people paying attention to this? You can't shrug it off that it is MA and they always lean this way, because they voted Romney himself in as a Republican. The reality is that Romney can't even get close in this election in the only state that he has governed before, where the people actually know what you get if you vote for Romney. If he was the success that he pretends to be in MA, don't you think that he would be leading in MA or at the very least, have a close race going on there?

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Good Grief Y'all

3:25 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Yep, Mitt was a bad date for the state of Massachusetts. Ryan is no more popular in his home state.

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Watts

4:43 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

True, they never had a lead in WI, not even a bounce when Paul Ryan was picked as VP.

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GregRodgers

9:20 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Watts....this is because Romney was a terrible Governor. 47th in Job creation. Swore he would not raise taxes (lied) and then imposed higher fee's on everything in the state, cut local aid to cities and towns and force the locatlies to raise taxes on his behalf. He also was not present in the state for the last year and a half of his Governorship, because he was too busy running around the country trying to become President.

People can hate Obama all they want, but the fact is Romney is doing exactly what he did in Mass. Lie to your face and if you elect him he will stab you in your eye.

George Wilson

3:58 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

We tend to get engaged in presidential contests and the occasional Congressional election, but we can be a little lazy about confronting the gradual and deliberate erosion of our democracy in our states and local communities by a determined radical right.

It's a dirty business. If you're a small-d democrat and someone who clings to faith in the system, facing the damage being done to our states and our schools is very difficult to deal with. For example many in Texas were appalled as they watched the schools adopt textbooks and curricula that had little if anything to do with genuine education. Now because of the size of Texas these textbooks will affect textbooks in Georgia and elsewhere as publishers try to appease radical school boards. We should be appalled at over two million dollars being spent by outside groups to get Georgia to pass amendment one. We should care that the Georgia state senator in the 9th district lied on his disclosure statement about expenses that he billed the state for to name a few local issues.

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David

4:08 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

But George, at the Liberal meeting this weekend, they told me to vote FOR amendment One. It gives the state control over education of kids instead of letting the locals control everything. Did I miss something? I'm new at this liberal stuff so get confused easily. Besides, they didn't even give me a pen to write with. When I was a Republican, they always gave me a pen with the candidates name. I guess its because they are rich and we progressives are so poor.

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Chris

4:12 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

You didn't even get a pen? This liberal retardation thing may be harder than you think David.

David Brown

5:26 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Why doesn't Patch simply delete the comments that don't pertain to the two simple questions being posed? "Do you expect to know who the successful presidential candidate is by Wednesday morning or do you expect another 2000? Should that happen, how do you feel about dealing with any more highly-charged presidential politics?"

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Mike Chubre

5:55 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Here David Brown. Maybe YOU FAILED to read:

:Patch is under no obligation to enforce the Patch Terms of Use on your behalf or based on a claim by you that another user has violated it"

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Sharon Swanepoel

5:36 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Thank you for bringing it back around David. I for one know that I hope more than anything else that we have a decisive win by midnight Tuesday. It was bad enough in 2000 when the polarization wasn't as bad as it is now. I'm ready to move on. I know it is a possibility it will end up in the courts, but I sure hope it doesn't happen!

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Ryan Smith

7:53 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Sharon:
Hear, hear. The 2000 election was a nightmare. Heck, I lived in Florida back then, and I found myself half-agreeing with the pundits who said we ought to cede the state back to Spain! This one will be close, no doubt, but whichever way it goes, I hope it's definitive and indisputable.

Tammy Osier

8:00 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Chris and David- ya'll let me know what's going on on Days of our Lives while you're at home waiting. I'll be working :)

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David

9:48 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Is that in HD? Cause I traded my food stamps for a HD TV.

Tammy Osier

8:08 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Anybody else hear about the UN people supposedy planning to come to our election polling stations and "watch" to make sure we are doing it correctly? According to the laws in each state, no one, unless you are a poll worker or are voting is allowed within x amount of feet of a polling station. that should be interesting.

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Chris

8:42 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Those are the New Black Panthers that will be overseeing.

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Good Grief Y'all

9:11 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Settle down, T.O. From the PATCH article Crystal references below:
"In an effort to dispel myths about the election monitoring, the Organization for Security and Co-operation (OSCE) issued a few statements on the accuracy of previous media reports. For starters, they are not an agency of the UN. Second, according to their website, "OSCE observers have not been invited by one political faction to investigate claims against any other political faction. The OSCE observers have been invited by the United States Government."

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Good Grief Y'all

9:50 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

GW BUSH invited the monitors in 10 years ago. They have been at every national election since :D Fact finding is so much fun.

Mary Lou

8:49 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Tammy- look on snellville pacth, they actual did a small article about it. I am OUTRAGED! Last I checked, this was AMERICA, or supposed to be! The patch creator of that one said she has gotten feedback from both sides and some people are happy with it, not I.

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Good Grief Y'all

9:13 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

L o w i n f o r m a t i o n v o t e r s. So silly. They love them some conspiracy theories.

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Good Grief Y'all

9:53 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Looks like we have a newborn troll.

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Sportsfan

10:06 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

At least you can own up to it

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Good Grief Y'all

12:48 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Is it you, Sportsfan? I have my suspicions as to the true identity, but it's not worth anyone's time to pay attention to class clowns.

Chris P

7:55 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

I recently moved to Georgia from Massachusetts. I thought Romney did a fine job as governor given that he had majority and veto proof Democrat legislature to deal with. For a republican to be elected as governor in Massachusetts basically give you a "Bully Pulpit" and not much else.
From what I see and hear this election will very close. For the sake of this country I do hope Mitt Romney prevails.

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GregRodgers

9:27 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Chris...I happen to have moved from Mass to GA myself. What you say is a lie...just like Mitt. He was not a fine Governor. Do you not remember the fees he imposed? Increase in that were imposed by local Government because Mitt cut aid to towns and cities? Remember how he was against Federal money for disasters and then the Dam's broke in Taunton? He had to eat his words and ask for Federal Money.

He was also not present for the last year and a half while in office because he was running around the country trying to become president and bad mouthing Mass at the same time.

If you really lived in Mass you'd know I have stated the true facts.

Also, why did he destory all of the hard drives from State computers when he left office and what about the state jobs that were outsourced to India that he claimed he knew nothing about.

Come on Chris P....don't lie. Mitt stunk and you know it!!

GregRodgers

9:40 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Read the Pew Poll that was posted yesterday:

http://www.people-press.org/files/legacy-pdf/11-4-12%20Election%20Weekend%20Release.pdf

Pew was viewed as the best polling outfit in the last election. They show Obama 50% Romney 47% Nationally.

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Good Grief Y'all

12:53 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

47% . . . hmmmm . . . where have we heard that number before? That is karma, poetic justice, revenge even. Even so, I hope after the polls close tomorrow night Mitt's share will be lower. Then maybe we will hear no more, see no more from him. He can retire to the Caymans to count his money or attend one of GWB's seminars to learn how to hide more money from the USA.

Chris P

10:14 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Well Gregg I'm not impressed with your response. If your from Mass, like you claim, then you know that Mass is pretty much a one party state. You'd also know that the last three Speakers of the House have been indicted and one is even serving jail time. Of course they were all democrats!
When Mitt left office there was a surplus in the budget that the tax and spend democrat legislature promptly spent.
I can go on and on about how corrupt the Democrats are in Mass and if you're from Mass you know that to be true!!
While we're at it why did the Obama administration LIE about Benghazi?? Why the cover-up??

Given the two choices we have my votes for Romney!

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GregRodgers

1:33 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Sure...I will say that Bill Weld, Paul Celucci...Repubs were pretty decent. Romney stunk. How you can say a Governor who spent 417 days out of office was great is mind boggling to me. Just because Mass may lean Dem, does not mean that Mitt is somehow great. He was terrible. I notice you said nothing about the fact he raised taxes and fees...because you know he did buddy. Killed the middle class...yes indeed!!

As for Bengahzi, only the Republican Right is going on and on over this issue. Republicans never were up in arms over no WMD, but are up in arms over an issue that is till being investigated. There is no cover up. It may take months before we have the final word.

Just like Obama and his presidency, everyone thought we'd have answers in 4 yrs with 8 yrs destruction from Bush.

The give me, I want right now society that we live in nowadays is the problem.

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GregRodgers

1:38 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Also...yeah...that surplus....Right it came from the backs of the Middle Class shouldering those taxes and fees that Mitt Swore he was not going to raise but did....ole flip flop Mitt....stick it to the middle class. Balance the books off the middle class....yep The Romney/Ryan Way!!

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Chris P

2:10 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Gregg the fact that you're not outraged about Benghazi tells me all I need to know about you. Can we agree on one thing, "You could care less about the truth".
As for WMD you mean the same WMD that Clinton and Kennedy and Kerry thought were there??

Oh by the way I'm middle class and very much alive, I guess Romney didn't kill the middle class after all. ha ha

Tomorrow I cast my ballot for Mitt Romney. Irregardless of the outcome on Tuesday Obama's handling of Benghazi is an impeachable offense!!!

Sharpie

10:37 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

"Support for Kill List and NDAA make Obama and Romney Unfit for Office"

Read more:
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/nov/2/support-kill-list-and-ndaa-make-obama-and-romney-u/

See if there is a clear winner to our Presidential Election 2012.
Make a special note to watch the Free and Equal Election Debate between third party Presidential candidates, Gov. Gary Johnson (Libertarian) and Dr. Jill Stein (Green), to be aired tonight on Monday evening, Nov. 5th from 9:00 - 10:30 pm Eastern Time. Perform a worthwhile civic duty, and be certain to listen in on this historic debate so that you can make an informed decision on voting day. Third party candidates who will be on the ballot in most states deserve to be heard.

http://freeandequal.org/?v=1

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Mary Lou

11:06 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

sharpie- best put your vote behind R&R this go round then put together your ground effort for 2016 where you might actually have a chance at a third party on the ticket. Its too late for this election and you know that. A vote for BO would pretty much ensure there wouldn't be a chance as well in 2016. If this is truly your plight and cause. start preparing for the real chance of it t come to light in 2016, with this election.

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Good Grief Y'all

12:57 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

L o w i n f o r m a t i o n v o t e r s, may their numbers severely decrease by 2014 and for certain by 2016. Decrease through better research, better sources and education, that is. I am totally non-violent.

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GregRodgers

1:34 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Totally agree....Good Grief Y'all is right!!

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Mike Chubre

1:52 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

I hope you turn back to stone and roll away after Obama loses.

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Good Grief Y'all

6:14 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Lots of posters will disappear after tomorrow, Chubs. PATCH will still have the die-hard ranters, conspiracy theorists, poutragers, but I'll probably consider my work done.
Happy election day! No matter the outcome, I'll still have a joyful life. :D

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Good Grief Y'all

12:59 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Yes, he is Mary S. So is his boss.

Michael k

2:43 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Don't bother voting for President tomorrow, if you haven't voted already.

Cam Newton has already sewn up the election for Mitt Romney.

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/05/does-the-redskins-rule-mean-that-mitt-romney-will-be-the-next-president/

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Good Grief Y'all

3:44 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

In the South, voting can be about commitment and conscience, not just about winning. The rest of the country will carry the election for President Obama.

Good Grief Y'all

3:51 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Hope not, but 99% of Romney's ads are negative and 99% of them are false, so possibly. All his deceitful ads are targeted at the l o w i n f o r m a t i o n v o t e r s, most of whom are Obama haters, and will vote for RR for no other reason.

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Mike Chubre

4:50 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Can't get nothing past you, Genius : }

Hilarious!

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Chris P

5:12 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

its scary to think that you might actually vote!!

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Good Grief Y'all

5:36 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Doesn't take a genius to keep up with Republican tricks, just lots of time because there are so many.

Hey, Chris P - are you also just plain Chris. You guys sound alike. And vote I certainly do. Waiting until tomorrow because I enjoy it so much more on the actual day. Early voting is not quite as satisfying, but just as effective!! :D

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Chris P

5:45 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

No we are two different posters. However it just makes the point that "Great Minds think Alike".
Sorry to hear you're voting but guess what, my vote cancels out yours!!!

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Good Grief Y'all

6:30 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Oh, Chris P, I know my Presidential vote doesn't count in GA, but I will enjoy showing President Obama yet another supporter from the deep South. My husband, too, so I guess he can cancel out one of your buddies. Since 2008, I have never, ever, ever voted for anyone with an R beside their name. Even people I know well and like, or candidates with no opposition. Just can't do it. My aversion started with George Bush and was forever set with the "maverick" McCain and Palin. McCain's VP choice may well have been the singular most damaging action to US politics, this country and the Republican Party, ever, ever, ever - well, since 2000. And, you know, that's exactly the main reason a lot of folks voted to elect Barack Obama. But, they got a bonus because he is such a great President. So, if you need someone to blame - go to McCain/Palin! Payback's a beotch. Oh, and WHERE'S RYAN? It is so funny that Romney can't use him in these closing days - had to send him to ALA to stay off the front page.

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Good Grief Y'all

8:27 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Correction, since 2008. Bush has to take credit for 2000-2008 in the most damage to this country, and probably the world. Before him, it's a toss-up between Ronnie and Tricky Dicky, but with the ongoing trickledown bad economics he gave the US, I vote for Ronnie. Eisenhower was the last great Republican president. Looks like he may be the last great Republican president ever to come, period.

Chris

4:52 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

A quote coming out of the Czech Republic states: “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president”.

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Good Grief Y'all

5:38 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Haha! Stretching to the far reaches of the globe to make your non-existent point.

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George Wilson

4:04 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

@Chris
"The danger to America is not Mitt Romney but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Romney presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president”.

Nancy Sistrant

4:56 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

No courtroom needed for this one.

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Chris

6:11 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Well according to the PARANOID libtards, everyone online has multiple accounts. How many do you have? Better yet, WHO CARES? Go back in your hole!

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Good Grief Y'all

6:43 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Not paranoid, Chris, just observant. I have spent enough time with just one account. I can't imagine having such a sad life as to have multiples. Love you, too!

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Watts

7:37 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

We all know how the Republican party's anchor to all their economic thinking is based on their trickle down theory, despite the fact that we saw that it didn't work when enacted under Bush. So what recently happened was that the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service did a study on this and their study found that there is no correlation between these policies and economic growth, so given that is 99.9% of what Romney is campaigning on, Republicans panicked and the report was buried.

Here is the article on it:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/11/02/non-partisan-congressional-tax-report-debunks-core-conservative-economic-theory-gop-suppresses-study/

And here is the actual report that you can still read:

http://www.dpcc.senate.gov/files/documents/CRSTaxesandtheEconomy%20Top%20Rates.pdf

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Watts

7:38 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Also, I don't understand what is going through Ryan's head or anybody who can stand this guy. Just look at what he was caught saying this weekend:

http://news.yahoo.com/paul-ryan-says-obama-compromise-judeo-christian-western-045635969--abc-news-politics.html

How much of this objectification of Obama as some sort of "other" are people willing to tolerate? The amount of racial and religious dog whistling in messages like this is unbelievable, with the soul intention to be tapping into people's prejudices. Is this how desperate Romney/Ryan have become, to be taping into the dark side of their voter base with saying things like this?

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Good Grief Y'all

8:11 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Ryan does have a big mouth from which to spew his venom. I'm not surprised at what desperation has brought out in him or his boss.

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Mary Lou

9:17 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

shhhh..dont feed the trolls you guys...its obvious who they are. If they starve- they go elsewhere for food :)

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Good Grief Y'all

9:21 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Mary Lou, have you ever made an original or even a fresh comment? I believe I have seen you on a number of other threads, cutting and pasting your own posts. LOL!

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Robert

9:30 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Food isn't what they eat.

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R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"

10:23 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

So what’s so hard to believe?

She just practices “You didn’t build that” or “You didn't make that”

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Good Grief Y'all

12:09 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

R, you forgot some words: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges, if you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet." http://factcheck.org/2012/07/you-didnt-build-that-uncut-and-unedited/ There, fixed that for you. He was talking about the roads and bridges, not the businesses, but you don't really want that correction, I know. Lies are what floats your boat.
If l o w i n f o r m a t i o n v o t e r s had ever heard President Obama speak, they would know what he was saying, they would understand his style and manner of speaking. They wouldn't have to rely on edited, out-of-context versions of his speeches being spoon fed to them by the Republican zombies.

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Good Grief Y'all

12:12 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

That build it comment didn't hurt President Obama. Mitt's 47% comment - that hurt him. Reason it hurt him is because that was what he said, what he believes, not taken out of context, just a fluid, continuous running remark of his view of "you people".

Mary Lou

9:34 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

I know Robert- but if you starve them from what keeps them around..they leave ;) They just want to pick and stir, not have meaningful conversations or debate points. They want to argue and pick blog wars, nothing more.

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Good Grief Y'all

12:19 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Mary Lou, I know you and your sister want to dominate these threads. You're the ones who come in and take pot shots at anything anyone says which contradicts you. I can make a completely independent post, not directed at or following you and you can't wait to make one of your foolish poutrage remarks. I have noticed, though, that whenever I post a reference link there's silence from everyone but the classless clowns. I love it! Shows I've struck a nerve. Thanks for the compliment!

Watts

4:54 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Romney: "Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China"

Queue it up at 46 seconds and watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcZr0UtLgkI

Jeep CEO: "Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-30/chrysler-ceo-reiterates-jeep-suv-production-will-remain-in-u-s-.html

Now if anybody tries to tell you that Romney is not lying to you to sneak his way into office, there is your proof that he is lying.

I can't break it down any more simply for people. Romney is a deceptive used car sales man. He will tell you whatever he thinks will get him what he wants. He tells the base that he is a extreme conservative and makes all the promises that the fringe extreme wants and then turns to the voters and says that he is a bi-partisan. These are not mutually inclusive positions. He is lying to somebody. Are you ready to risk if he is lying to you?

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Good Grief Y'all

7:22 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

This is dedicated to the naysayers regarding Rmoney'$ position on dismantling FEMA:

www.democrats.org/news/press/romneys_pa_fantasy_turns_into_disaster

" . . . in the spring of 2004, Peabody, Mass., got drenched with rain, which flooded the downtown area. After the storm, then-Gov. Mitt Romney asked President George W. Bush to declare Essex, Middlesex and Suffolk Counties federal disaster areas, according to the Boston Globe.
That fall, the state legislature proposed spending $5.7 million on a flood prevention project to protect against future floods. Those funds would be matched by $22 million in federal mone. Romney vetoed it. Last week, Romney has come under fire for suggesting that the federal government get out of the business of disaster relief. But his record in Massachusetts doesn’t lend much support to the suggestion that states can handle it alone."

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Watts

12:51 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

On FEMA, Romney has flip flop flip floped and maybe even flip flopped again.

As far as hurricane Sandy being an October surprise, beyond Obama showing how well he and FEMA immediately stepped into action, what killed Romney was his public dodging of every question on FEMA. He showed that given real life issues that a president would be dealing with, that he just didn't have it in him to be able to get his head around it. He could have answered those question with whatever masterful idea that he had for FEMA and what the nation saw was that he doesn't have any. Just like his mystery economic plan and anything else. He has been running on the Grover Norquist plan, which is to have a president just smart enough to hold a pen and the extreme fringe wing was to spoon feed this empty vessel. He has never been expected to have his own ideas. The plan was always to put a smile in front of the camera to implement an fringe agenda.

Tammy Osier

2:48 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Thanks Robert and MaryLou - they are talkng (cutting and pasting) amongst themselves now. LOL

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Good Grief Y'all

2:56 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Wrong TO. All that's for you, your sissy and your guy friends so you can get edjumacated. LOL yourself. FB called and wants its letters back. So over and done. :D How old are you?

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Mary Lou

3:07 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

:) it really does work like that! hard as it can be sometimes..

Good Grief Y'all

2:57 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

TO, I have lots more bedtime reading for you but don't want to overload you. I'm saving it for when you're more rested.

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John B

3:40 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

GGY....it must be hell being surrounded by idiots...how do you manage?....truth is...you must be very lonely spending all of your time on these blogs patting yourself on the back...there's a real world out there....get on your broom and explore it....google doesn't have all the answers.

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Good Grief Y'all

6:59 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

I would expect nothing less than such a comment from you, John B. You're so original. Google doesn't write the articles. But you can find a hell of a lot more by searching there that will lead to the truth than relying on Fox and the right-wing breitbart-type crap.

Tammy Osier

4:28 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Thanks John. Nice to hear someone say something nice for a change. Regardless of who wins tonight, I thik I've had it with these online posts. They always get highjacked by loonies and frankly, the REAL people I hang around are very uplifting and encouraging, unlike the nastiness of people on these things. Too bad the standards for deleting aren't strict enough. It would be nice to find a place where you can have a real discussion without having to dodge spitballs. lol

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Nod

1:50 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Take a look in the MIRROR!! Or, the pot calling the kettle black!! Which ever you choose.

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Good Grief Y'all

7:00 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

If you want nice, TO, you should play nice. You don't.

Watts

4:38 pm on Tuesday, November 6, 2012

Warning: Republican desperation to steal Obama votes! This is for real, so anybody on Facebook or getting emailed instructions that appear to be a helpful hint to Democrats, this is a deception. Read on...

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/dont-pass-it-voting-booth-hoax-spreads-facebook-1C6884772

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Watts

2:24 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

It has been the Republican goal to objectify people as "others." You could see it with the handling of Romney. When did we most hear about Romney was a Mormon? It was during the Republican primaries. Even if it was the repeated "Oh, the fact that he is a MORMON doesn't bother me;" it meant constantly making sure that his religion was at the front of every discussion, almost like a backhanded compliment; keeping it out there as a dog whistle because they knew that it struck a chord in the base.

Then when the national election was between Obama and Romney, the mention of his religion was rarely ever heard about again. What you mainly saw from Republicans were these same portrayals of Obama as some sort of "other." Actually, not even a singular "other," but objectifying him as some other religion, some other nationality, some other completely different political philosophy, etc. This is the strongest tool that the Republican party has to fight their political races and to divide the country by compartmentalizing people into these groups with varying and conflicting (and mostly fictitious) agendas.

For anybody who was spewing such vile rhetoric on sites like Patch, at family picnics or at the local pub, no matter the greater good that you perceived and used to justify it in your head, I think that today is a day for looking in the mirror as the whole Republican party ought to be doing right now. Yesterday, this great nation overwhelmingly rejected that way of thinking.

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Mr. B

2:31 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

But Obama is an "other." He even embraces it. So it can't be denied.

The division of America is a Democratic party phenomenon. "Middle class, wealthy, poor" are all Dem regurgitations. "Americans" is a Republican program, no divisions. Just a desire for true equality.

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Watts

4:35 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

Boy, you really did miss my point, didn't you?

Good Grief Y'all

9:47 am on Thursday, November 8, 2012

"About $59 billion is spent on traditional social welfare programs. $92 billion is spent on corporate subsidies. So, the government spent 50% more on corporate welfare than it did on food stamps and housing assistance in 2006."
http://thinkbynumbers.org/government-spending/corporate-welfare/corporate-welfare-statistics-vs-social-welfare-statistics/

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