Public Input Often a Sham
Citizens attend town hall meetings giving the elected person a piece of their mind about votes they have taken or positions they have promoted to no avail.
In Gwinnett County, in recent years, we have watched with dismay as the county commission forced a garbage debacle on the citizens. Word is now coming to light that the predicted windfall of money that was to come with the building of the minor league ballpark near the Mall of Georgia has not been the great success that was predicted. Of course, many people will say the economy turned sour, and fewer people have extra money for entertainment at sporting events as a reason for the shortfall. Whatever the reason, the citizens of Gwinnett are now stuck with the bill that only promises to go higher in the next several years.
Added to these two failing events listed above, we now see signals that the airport issue is going to be decided no matter what the people have to say about it. Consultants, experts, and business people all stand in line as cheerleaders for the expansion of Briscoe Field, and their voice is being heard over the protest of the people who live near the airport. Could we stop for just a moment and suppose that all of these experts are correct and this will be the greatest windfall of money to ever come into Gwinnett County? At what price will that happen?
During the congressional recess, Congressmen and Senators host town hall meetings to hear from the people they are elected to represent in Washington. Local town councils and county commission bodies have, as part of their agenda, a time to hear from the people at their meetings. When decisions are made, however, it seems that which is suggested by the people is lost somewhere in a deep hole entirely covered in mud that cannot be seen from the surface.
In each new election cycle, people who run for office make a promise to keep an open door for their constituents and to listen to everything the people want to have done. However, somewhere between election night and the meeting of the council or commission, the newly elected person forgets the promises made during the campaign.
As soon as a person is elected, there is a gaggle of special interest groups who bombard them with ideas of how to govern (with their pet project at the top of the list). Citizens attend town hall meetings giving the elected person a piece of their mind about votes they have taken or positions they have promoted to no avail.
If the indications we are receiving now come to fruition, we can conclude already that Gwinnett County commissioners are not listening to the people who will be hurt by this airport, but they are listening to the special interest groups once again. With what we are seeing in Washington and other levels of government, why do they even go through the sham of having input from the people? From where I stand, it is dishonest that politicians ask for input knowing they are going to do the opposite of what the people have said.
Patrick T. Malone
7:23 am on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Ray, many of your previous articles encouraged citizens to get informed and get involved in their local, state and federal governments. Now you seem to be saying citizen involvement is to no avail. I see that as a common reaction when people don't get their way. Take the trash plan as an example. You and others opposed it so it is labeled a debacle forced on people. However the reality of of trash in Gwinnett is the vast majority are satisfied with the plan and it has significantly reduced littering and illegal dumping.
It is hard to stay involved in government when you don't get your way but that is what concerned committed citizens do in the face of rejection.
Scott
10:35 am on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Patrick - interesting statement about the trash service and "significantly" reducing littering and illegal dumping. I will somewhat agree on the illegal dumping, but I'd say the littering is WAY up. As a result of the trash service and the increase recycle options on a windy day there is trash/recycle items often blown all over our streets. "Keep Gwinnett Clean" seems to mean different things these days. I like the plan, but sure wish we had gotten bigger recycle bins with lids to actually keep the lightweight items in place. If you think the streets are cleaner you need to head through Lilburn and Lawrenceville on a windy trash day. The Gwinnett Government answer to the complaint about more trash on the streets: "Citizens can adopt sections of the road and help keep them clean." Well, prior to the new trash service I felt the litter was a lot less and the companies handling the trash had drivers taking responsibility for any loose trash that might have been associated with the trash or recycle containers. Now, the only time the driver gets out of the truck is if people don't turn their trash can the right way for the arm to pickup the can as they drive 0-50 MPH in 30 feet from one driveway to the next. Safety? No. Responsible drivers? No.
Jimmy Orr
8:06 am on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Ray, you are, as the young folks would say, "spot on." I will be attending a meeting this (Tuesday, 09/20/2011) morning at the GCJ&A Center in which the Gwinnett County Board of Commissioners will direct questions to the Infrastructure Management Group which conducted the TAXPAYER funded study on Gwinnett County Airport Briscoe Field about the results of their study. The public will hear but they (public) will not be heard. Translated this means there will be NO public input. Whether I or my peers who oppose privatization with a commercial airline option get our so called way or not, we still hold the trump card. WE VOTE! Therefore, it behooves us that whether the issue goes our way or not to work toward removing Beaudreau, Howard, and Lasseter from public office via the ballot box. Don't know where Patrick is getting all of his Gwinnett County information as he no longer lives in our county. He moved to Blairsville, Union County, GA sometime ago. Keep the faith Ray and remember, it is imperative that we "blow TSPLOST out of the water" in 2012.
Mike Sims
2:21 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
You are correct, Patrick has moved to Union county and sided with those in favor of the Tsplost tax up here. We wish he would move back.
Dave Emanuel
2:48 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
I attended an interesting debate yesterday about T-Splost. Two interesting points--
1- over 50% of the funds will be devoted to "transit" with a good portion of that rail.
2- Ridership of rail systems in cities all over the country is typically at the 15% or lower level.
Apparently, one of the major benefits of T-Splost is that we're going to build more rail lines so people will have a wider choice of lines they won't ride.
Roger Hale
9:33 am on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Ray, you are once again right on target. Politicians only want your vote and your tax dollars to play with. I, like you, have watched this same activity play out for far too many decades. I want everyone to take up my "no I" movement. When you go vote, if there is an (I) for incumbent beside the name, vote for anyone else, even if you have to write in somebody. That way we will insure term limits and won't need a constitutional amendment. I also want the "no I" to include voting against any politician that is in favor of "illegal" aliens, "I" for illegal. Perpetuate the "no I" movement and maybe we'll at least get "new" representatives and send a message that as taxpayers we will no longer stand for being "ignored", yet another "I".
Ray Newman
10:25 am on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Thanks for the comments. I will always advocate for speaking up no matter how many times it seems they do not hear us. The best place to be heard is at the ballot box, and I vote in every election no matter the people or issues involved. I advocate for being as informed as possible on every issue and every candidate so when the vote is cast it counts in the right direction. Not ever giving up on the ballot box! Be an informed voter and vote.
Dacula Truth
10:59 am on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Its funny how Mr. Orr only complains. Blah blah blah, Whine whine whine. Why do you only criticize, do you have any ideas to create jobs and help the economy? If so now would be a great time to speak up!
Jimmy Orr
3:12 pm on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Cole, if that indeed is your real name, I don't reply to those who don't have the guts to give their name, rank, and serial number. Translated, either put up or shut up.
Dacula Truth
11:40 pm on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Mr. Orr, clearly you have way too much time on your hands to think of responses like that. Who could I possibly be? Have you forgotten to take you r meds again?
North Georgia Weather
5:12 pm on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
Ray, you couldn't be more correct.
Why is it once someone gets elected, all of a sudden they think they are smarter than everyone else?
Why do they lose all common sense (if they ever had any to start with)?
Why do they get an arrogant attitude toward the people that put them there?
What makes them think they can do whatever they want to do?
I'm beginning to think that everyone needs to have a 1 term limit.
Dave Emanuel
11:05 pm on Tuesday, September 20, 2011
If I may be so bold- the biggest (but certainly not only) problem with politicians is the people who elect them. As a recently "elected" Snellville City Councilman, (elected is in quotes because I had no opposition) who has worked with other candidates, I've seen the election process from a number of different perspectives. But one commonality that permeates all perspectives is the lack of voter focus. In almost every race, there is a forthright candidate and a mudslinger. We have such a race in Snellville and you have at least one in Dacula, and the county had one in the recent BOC Chairman special election. It takes a minimal amount of research to find a candidate's true complexion, but most people don't invest any time at all. They vote for whoever has the nicest sounding name, the most attractive hair style, the most yard signs, or the sweetest sounding line of BS.
That isn't to say some candidates don't change stripes after they're elected. Some do so because they have a personal agenda, others because their just not particularly smart, and others because they honestly think they're doing the right thing. And some candidates DO think they're smarter than everyone else.
With so many differernt points of view about most issues, one thing is certain- someone will be unhappy with every decision an elected official makes. the challenge for voters is to elect candidates who are truly concerned with and capable of making the best decisions for the community they represent.
GregRodgers
11:21 am on Wednesday, September 21, 2011
"Some do so because they have a personal agenda (Beaudreau), others because their just not particularly smart (Howard), and others because they honestly think they're doing the right thing(??) And some candidates DO think they're smarter than everyone else. (Beaudreau and Lassiter)
Ray Newman
8:42 am on Thursday, September 22, 2011
Well said, Dave. Voters need to investigate and find out as much as they can about all the candidates before they vote. Thanks for being willing to serve.
Jimmy Orr
12:15 am on Wednesday, September 21, 2011
Yes, Cole, I remember you from your comments following Rob Woodall's Dacula Town Hall Meeting. I see you are still slithering around.