Sparks Begin to Fly in Race for District 3
District 3 candidate Mike Korom releases memo targeting commission candidate Tommy Hunter.
A 2004 letter of reprimand to Tommy Hunter is being used as ammunition in the 2012 Gwinnett County District 3 commission race.
The letter, available on the Mike Korom campaign site, outlines several violations of Gwinnett County merit system rules and regulations, administrator policies and human resources management policies alleged to have occurred during Hunter’s tenure as a senior construction manager.
A post on the Korom campaign site refers to the matter as “Tommy Hunter’s waste of government time and money.”
The post continues, “Is this what we need more of? Someone more interested in his own personal well being than that of the constituents?”
In an email sent to several media outlets, Korom’s campaign manager Rich Carithers indicated the letter of reprimand was provided to the campaign by "an unknown source by way of email.” The campaign subsequently requested a copy of the letter from Gwinnett County to verify its authenticity.
Carithers noted the letter of reprimand references Hunter’s “time of dealing with outside real estate ventures and conducting business not related to dealings with Gwinnett County.”
“We already have a former Commissioner dealing with his own legalities related to under the table real estate deals. Let's not go down this road again,” Carithers wrote.
Though the letter was made public by the Korom campaign, Hunter -- in a Facebook message to Dacula Patch -- referred to the matter as “more dirty tricks from the Beaudreau campaign.”
Hunter categorized the letter as a private one from a previous employer “filled with inaccurate accusations.”
“My opponent is more interested in spreading false accusations than discussing important issues of this campaign,” Hunter wrote. “I will continue to focus on water supply, transportation, the budget, property rights for those surrounding the proposed airport expansion, and keeping an open door policy to constituents. If elected I will never forget that the residents of District 3 will always be my boss."
Hunter and Korom, along with former Snellville mayor Jerry Oberholtzer, are challenging incumbent Mike Beaudreau for the Gwinnett County District 3 commission seat.
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Andrew McNeil
9:18 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Notice that Mr. Hunter promises to "focus on...property rights for those surrounding the proposed airport expansion"...NOT committing to being opposed to said commercialization/privatization. I would challenge Mr. Hunter to state his position on the commercialization of Briscoe Field either in support of or opposed to commercialization instead of a noncommittal statement such as the one in this article.
Mike Korom
11:01 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Andrew, as you are probably aware I have attended many of the airport meetings. My best count is about 16 which includes Citizen Review Committee Meetings, BOC meetings, etc.and often have spoken out against the airport expansion/commercialization. Here's the link where I'm addressing the BOC last Tuesday.
http://tinyclip.tv/321d6663
The entire meeting can be viewed by going to the Gwinnett County website. Go to Board of Commissioners- then to meeting videos on the left. May 22 meeting.
Tim Sullivan
10:21 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
Andrew when Mr Hunter ran for the district 4 commissioner seat 2 years ago he stated that the issue was a non issue because Briscoe couldn't handle the larger planes and couldn't be transformed. This he said was based on his engineering background. His use of "Property Rights" is code for his belief that a property owner should be able to do anything they want with their property. He is in the group that believes zoning laws shouldn't exist
Mike Korom
10:42 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Mr. Hunter, these are not ‘false allegations.’ This is from Gwinnett County’s Human Resources file. These are not ‘inaccurate accusations.’ This is not just a ‘private letter from a previous employer’. The employer was us, the citizens of Gwinnett County.
Obviously, I am always willing to discuss the issues. I have done so with thousands of citizens, I blog here on the Patch and the press knows my door is always open.
I have the document on my website. www.mikekorom.com However the importance of the messenger is not nearly as important as the content of the document. Tommy Hunter clearly violated the citizen’s trust and his responsibilities as an employee of Gwinnett County. Now he is campaigning on fiscal and ethical responsibility. This document, which we filed an open records request to get, clearly illustrates the polar opposite to these principles. We need new ethical leadership that is truly conservative. Not just lip service.
Mr. Hunter, in light of the above, I believe it would be prudent and ethical for you to resign your position on the planning commission for District 4. I’m still unclear as to how it’s appropriate to reside in District 3, run for county commissioner in District 3 while holding a position on the planning commission in District 4. Do the right thing and resign from the planning commission in District 4 immediately as it’s clearly a conflict of interest (if you haven’t done so already).
American Patriot
1:05 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Mike I wonder if your employer knows how much golf you play during working hours. I see you at the Trophy Club several days a week. You are kind of hard to miss with that stinky cigar hanging out of your mouth. Is that where you will be if we elect you to represent us? You say your are not a politician. However this tactic is politics 101. Attack your opponets personally to distract from your own weaknesses. Really this something the Clintons would have done. I read your "Learning to Learning 316" plan. I don't know how you think you are going to attract all those businesses without the airport expansion and improving road access to the area. By the way being a salesman does not make you a business leader. On the contrary. The sales people work for the business leaders. There is a big difference. Even if you are the best salesmen there is a reason you are not in leadership. It takes special skills to lead. We elected a salesman the last few elections and look what it got us. As far as I am concerned there would not be any difference between Korom or Beaudreau. One sells copiers the othe tires. When was the last time anyone trusted a sales person? (By the way I have no problem with sales people and this is not a personal attack on either man. But sales people and politicians tell people what they want to hear). We need leadership!
Sabrina Smith
4:43 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Mike Korom is self-employed, so I think it is safe to assume his boss knows about it every time he plays golf. I know Mike to be a man of character.
I can't help but laugh at anyone who thinks that Gwinnett is doomed without Propeller's airport, so it is hard to take your criticism of Mike seriously.
Mike Korom
5:24 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I always find it interesting when people say ‘this is not a personal attack’ right after they’ve made a personal attack
First of all I don’t have an employer. I am an independent contractor for Garage Automotive Equipment Sales, Inc. I sell automotive equipment to car dealerships, tire stores, body shops and automotive garages. I have been in the industry for twenty-six years. I have in excess of 5,000 customers in greater Atlanta. The odds are you’ve had your vehicle serviced at a location that I have sold equipment to. I am not ashamed to say that I’ve achieved a level of success that awards me some freedom. I make NO apologies for living the American Dream. I am grooming my oldest son into my line of work where ultimately I expect he will service my customers. It has taken me many years and a lot of beanie weenies to get to this position. However, I am rich in a way that does not include money. I was saved November 16, 1995 and shortly thereafter became a member at Hebron Church in Dacula. You can see me there most every week sitting with my wife and my mother who is 87 years old. To make it very clear I am a sinner.
Mike Korom
5:26 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I make no apologies for being a physically active 53 year old that enjoys a good cigar while playing golf. I have a standing tee time at Trophy Club on Friday at 2:16 and on Sunday at 12:46 with my best friend who is a retired executive from the post office and currently an executive with Netflix. I occasionally squeeze in nine holes in the evening.
I also play basketball (I played four years in college where I was the captain) and tennis in the evenings and Saturdays. I am married to a wonderful lady that is equally as active, is also an independent contractor, is way more intelligent than myself, and recruits mid level and upper level management personnel while having contracted for UPS Supply Chain, Coca Cola, and now URS.
Mike Korom
5:27 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Now here’s where the rubber meets the road. I have committed myself to making Gwinnett County a better place to live. I have been the HOA president of Apalachee Farms for the last three years. I recently stepped down to be the vice president for obvious time considerations. If elected I will resign my position on the board of the HOA.
I am now in a position to devote the necessary time to the elected position of county commissioner. I have no grand illusions however I’m certain I can lead District 3 forward. Let’s face it. This is not some glamorous position. Like serving on an HOA it is mostly a thankless position. It’s not a financial crown. It pays a little over $30k a year. I respect everyone that serves even if I don’t agree with their views. And by the way, I have pledged to donate my first three months of income from the position to the Gwinnett Children’s Shelter.
My challenge now is to become elected to serve the people of District 3. .
Mike Korom
5:28 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I have operated in many leadership positions. If you’ll read my blog and other responses you’ll see that I was a District Sales Manager with Matco Tools and elevated a district from number 147 out of 152 to number eight nationally in my first year as a DSM in 1987. The next year we became number two nationally. I was consequently promoted to a regional position of leadership over the Southeast U.S. I was the number one sales rep for American Tire Distributors all ten of the years I was with them from 1999 to 2009. We had about 70 capital equipment reps throughout the U.S.
My greatest achievement and leadership responsibility has been to raise my children. While the verdict is always out on good parenting I can tell you my youngest son is 21 and a senior at Reinhardt University and my oldest is 27, married, owns a home and lives in Statham, Georgia. You see this is what led me to a change of direction in my career. Thankfully, I was able to find a niche market where I didn’t have to have employees. I could set my schedule which I needed as a parent. My success fell solely on my shoulders with the help of the Good Lord. I have worked hard and fought for everything I have achieved.
Mike Korom
5:29 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
As for Tommy Hunter, neither I nor my campaign have made a personal attack of any sort. His reprimand is a matter of public record. I can tell you this, having had to issue them, reprimands are usually the last thing a supervisor wants to do. It requires a lot of work and documentation, it is a forever mark on a coworker’s record, and has serious legal implications if they are not accurate.
My vision for the 316 Corridor and District 3 is modeled after the Milton/Alpharetta area.
They have been able to successfully attract fortune 500 companies while improving the quality of life without an airport. Our growth is inherent. It’s our responsibility to provide the atmosphere that attracts these types of companies to our area. My ‘Learning to Learning 316 Corridor’ plan does just that. It doesn’t take an airport. In fact, I submit that it would be detrimental to District 3 because the employees of these companies would want to locate away from the airport in Barrow, Walton, or Jackson Counties. Our property values would decline even more.
Again, my website is the best avenue to see my views and vision.
Mike Korom
5:31 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Sorry, it appears as though these posts are in reverse order. As it only allows for a defined number of characters I had to make multiple posts. You may need to read them beginning with my bottom post first.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
3:59 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
“Attack your opponents personally to distract from your own weaknesses.”
WOW another airport expansion supporter that believes provable, factual items when presented are personal attacks, who didn’t see THAT coming… it’s consistent though.
“all those businesses without the airport expansion”
It’s time to question all the businesses that have moved to Gwinnett which have been regularly hailed by the Gwinnett Chamber of Commerce, they MUST be liars …
We now want our million plus payment from the county returned…
American Patriot
6:02 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Seriously 6 posts to respond to a half of paragraph??? Like I said in my first post we should never elect a salesman. He rambles like a used car salesman. A strong leader would have responded up in 3 or 4 sentences.
Yes "R" I do think we need the airport expansion as well as better rail and roads. And no I really don't believe they will exactly pay for themselves. No major transportation project does. Every major project in country has some sort of long term goverment support. You have to broaden your perspective. You are thinking too narrowly. If we don't get this project someone else will and they will benefit from it.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
11:33 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
American Patriot,
I can appreciate your disbelief that a candidate may need more than one line to reply, you may have become acustomed to a style of communication in District 3 leadership along the lines of "Get lost, you're an idiot, wrong etc.or my personal favorite " I can't comment further due to a pending lawsuit". When you don't have pending lawsuits you can use more words...
My perspective has been widened enough by government "long term investments" that are TAKEN from my wallet with little or NO chance of success. Why are so FEW here really he!!bent on giving Gwinnett it's very own SOLYNDRA?
The airport issue has been an ongoing saga that can't answer the simple questions. I have no interest in taking from "some" to give to even "fewer". The fact that the project came back as a single response RFP should tell ANYONE, even the feeble narrow minded (or the we are too big or smart to fails) this thing is A MAJOR gamble with SLIM chance of payoff for the actual owners ( Taxpayers aka chickens). Which by the way is STILL illegal in the state UNLESS the BOC takes it for us - just because the failure will occur after they leave office?
The trash plan was our local version of Obamacare, so can we stop playing Mini-Me to Washington now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-Me
Mike Korom, Good Luck because WE need it...
I am ... Insubordinate
J. Morley
6:02 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I'm just curious why you are attacking a challenger in this race. Mr. Korom you are the one being played. Welcome to Gwinnett politics! You never had my vote to begin with, but you lost quite a few with this. You got played sir. You and Beaudreau know who the real threat is in this race. I actually feel bad for you in a way. I'm sure your a great guy, but you fell hook line and sinker for this whole thing. I know you wanted the tax payers to know! Well now they do! LOL It's very cleaar that Mr. Hunter is the candidate to beat in this race. You sir became a politician in the worst way! It's very clear that this is a Hunter- Beaudreau race. Keep checking your in box for your next info!!!!!
American Patriot
6:04 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Well said!!!!
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
11:15 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
The question seems to be the document correct? - IF it's NOT true, it would be a MAJOR personal attack and should be rightly questioned if not kill election chances. But NO ONE has REFUTED it, so why is it bad form to release the TRUTH?
Do we really want elected ones who sit on the truth? Seems we have seen how well THAT worked when we OVERSPENT our tax dollars on land while commissioners were "teaching each other lessons" WITH OUR CASH!!! NONE of those who actually participated in those round-robin sessions even bothered to speak with Camie Young of the Gwinnett Daily Post - LORD knows they saw her every month long before the Grand Jury. Don't dismiss the truth because it doesn't fit YOUR narrow desires because we will just get more of the same.
People make mistakes its human, Tommy may have some work to do, let him do it and get on with the contest...
M.K. Osborne
6:13 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Im curious of who appointed Mr Hunter to the planning commission.
Tim Sullivan
10:33 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
John Heard, quid pro quo for his endorsement
J. Morley
6:25 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
@ Kevin, I would think it would be John Heard.
M.K. Osborne
6:34 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Thanks !
M.K. Osborne
6:51 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I appreciate the detailed reply Mr Korom gave in response to the questioning of his character and values . I knew a preacher that was a used car salesman , So with the right moral compass and compassion for the people i know Mr Korom will work for our needs as a County as a whole , redefine fiscal conservative to the party and actually be accountable for his actions . Actions do indeed speak louder than words , so please review the other candidates on this also .
J. Morley
7:15 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I just checked and it looks like Tommy actually lives in district 4, but will be rezoned to district three in Jan. 2013. So my question is why would he step down from his role on the planning commission? He made a commitment so I have no problem with him keeping his commitment to district 4. I'm curious to wonder why Mike Beaudreau would not have used this information about Tommy either. That makes it very clear to me who sent the info to Mr. Korom. That was pretty easy to figure out. Mr Korom stated that he has sat in on at least 16 airport meetings so it's very clear to me where his main focus lies. There is alot more to being a commissioner than airport exspansion.
M.K. Osborne
7:40 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Go for 17 Mike ! Show them how to follow through ! Then get in there with fresh eyes and conviction and show them how to serve others instead of serving themselves .
J. Morley
7:57 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Like I said there is more to the job than the exspansion. It's very easy to join the crowd with an issue like that one. Like I said I feel that after it's over he won't have anything left in the tank. Beaudreau knows how to play the game and he just dealt his first card to Korom, and Korom was glad to play. Tommy Hunter is the man to beat, and Beaudreau knows it. Press on Tommy the troops are ready to go to war!
J. Morley
11:39 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
I have no problem with the document being released. I have no problem with Korom releasing it. I do know that Tommy didnt get fired. So if he really did all that why didnt they fire him? I know when you ruffle feathers and you dont play games, and your not going to be someones puppet there is retaliation. Tommy is the greatest threat to Beaudeau. Thats exactly why Beaudeau sent it to Korom. Lets see if Korom will tell the truth on where he got it!
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
11:58 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
Did Mr Korom report he was fired? No He merely showed where he was written up ...
Why didn't the county terminate him? GOOD Question. Most conversations like this occur verbally first, then are followed up by a Written on the second. I don't have the specific HR county procedures in play at the time, so it could have been a first/last notice but he was a MANAGER at the time. As to the acuracy, well usually this is a comment section on the form to note areas of disagreement. Were any comments listed as contested?
Maybe the problems revealed in the GRAND Jury report actually were around much longer as retalitation is a REAL concern (even today), but those players from the period may very well be gone now.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
11:42 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012
"Beaudreau knows how to play the game" alright and we the citizens did him a REAL disservice by having Bannister as his first term teacher.
But now unfortunately on the BIG TICKET items, that apparently includes throwing the public at large under the bus. AGAIN if it weren't for those MAJOR league (or minor for that matter) deviations, he would be hard to beat ... But we just can't afford to spend/party like its 1999...
North Georgia Weather
7:17 am on Friday, May 25, 2012
"Beaudreau knows how to play the game"
Just what we don't want again. This is not a game.
M.K. Osborne
6:05 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
So to get appointed you must have a unfavorable county work record . Makes sense to me. not!
joe
6:40 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
I just made up my mind after reading all this garbage! I will be voting for Tommy. I remember back a few years when he first tried, but at that point there was no way. Now many years have past, and I myself will gladly give him a chance.
Tim Sullivan
2:12 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Well Joe maybe his third try will be the charm. Ya get rejected in District 3 so you move to district 4 and get rejected then amazingly you are rezoned into district 3 and try again.
B Carroll
8:46 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
2004 is the best "dirt" you can come up with. Let's get real. Let's talk about the man that Tommy Hunter is today. I've known Tommy for about 5 years now and can tell you he is a common man with common sense, and the type of representation and leadership we need in Gwinnett in order to get rid of the nasty "politics as usual" and the self-serving commissioners. I know Tommy to know the definition of "public servant" vs. the too often "career politicians" we have now.
Stick to the high-road Tommy. If people in this county continue to vote for the smear tactics and self-serving politicians, then you just have too much integrity to represent them.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
10:51 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
Well after reading the entire document you may have a slightly different perspective.
There were more that a few things listed and abuse of county supplied equipment was an issue many residents had a problem with back in 2004 and we demanded something be done to address it. Having your subordinates take your PERSONAL outside business calls is one of the fastest ways to tank morale, I've seen it happen in the private sector. Unhappy campers make life heck.
As to the report times, well a list with times off by 5 minutes at first cut seems picky, but if it had been covered two years before that starts getting old. Private business use of a county supplied cell line? The rates may have been a bit higher if we didn't use unlimited plans at the time but again it violated rules and left a record of activity THAT we paid for in TAXES.
It could be shown to identify an "air of entitlement" attitude or WORSE in that "go along to get along" - others do, it so I will too. Again we have been here and don't need to go back the down road just traveled. This whole thing could be addressed by Tommy as a simple I'm sorry - not " it doesn't matter" or" its dirt" so who cares. The folks who dismiss this outright actually may do more damage to Tommy by continuing to dismiss this, (maybe that's their back handed goal- killing with kindness?)
Or they truly see nothing wrong here at and ANOTHER Kevin Kenerly is born ...
Tommy fix it head on, before your helped to the sideline
J. Morley
10:15 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
I am supporting Tommy Hunter, and it makes me proud that he hasnt and never will be anybody's boy! It may have cost his work file at the county to have some scars, but thats exactly what will make him a GREAT commissioner! Mike Beaudreau is scared of Tommy, and those of us that know Tommy know why! Mr. Beaudreau enjoy the last few months you have in the commission seat, because your time has come to be removed!
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
1:34 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Actually , if he is elected, I would want him to be the "COUNTY RESIDENT'S BOY. If he's going off to do his "own thing" this will be a long four years.
The lobbyists already have more than enough in their favor at this point.
Floyd Akridge
2:25 am on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
J....Commissioner Beaudreau isn't frightened of Hunter...not even a smidge.
I also find it amusing that you brush off what was in that reprimand as "scars".
john dugan
9:18 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Mr. Ackridge Beaudreau might not fear Hunter, but he had better be concerned about the citizens of District 3--they aren't idiots.....Tommy Hunter is a working mans man and has chosen to look out for the interests of the working man and small business owners in this county. Your prerogative may be bent on being a hater but I can vouch for Tommy Hunters character and his undying devotion to the citizens of this county. Tommy Hunter is a good man and will make a great leader and has done a great job in his position as planning commissioner. In reality, I feel that your opinion of Tommy Hunter is biased and unfounded and I wish that you would give credit where credit is due. Respectfully submitted
Tim Sullivan
10:45 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
John D, dig a little deeper, Tommy is a Real Estated agent & land developer, just another Kevin Kenerly. R you spot on, Tommy will only answer to Tommy not the citizens of Gwinnett. This is his third run at the commissioner's position. It's not about service to the people, it is about self service. Floyd, you are so right, Tommy may have some "RonPaulean" like surporters but seriously he has no chance. He will loose again, strike three you are out. He should have taken a clue from Ron Silver, who is now in district 3 also, and sat on the side lines.
M.K. Osborne
11:04 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
I support Mike Korom , We need fresh eyes to audit the current climate in Gwinnett County Government and provide a check and balance attitude . Mr Korom can stand on his own with no strings attached . I like the fact that Mr Korom was not appointed or worked with the county before .
J. Morley
11:33 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012
I see it different. I'm actually glad that Tommy has served on the water and sewage board, and the planning commission. It gives alot better perspective and understanding of what the job requires. I keep going back to the airport exspansion because I feel that is such an easy bandwagon to jump on. I still see this race as Tommy being the strongest candidate to beat Beaudreau. At least we all agree on the fact that Beaudreau must go!
American Patriot
8:45 am on Saturday, May 26, 2012
For those of you who may want to broaden you perspective on the candidates for district 3. Check out www.gwinnettbuzz.com and read the post on March 13. This post was written before Tommy Hunter decided to run. I think the buzz is spot on in his assessments. With Tommy now in the race he really is the best option if you don't like Beaudreau. This will get interesting.
Mike Korom
9:15 am on Saturday, May 26, 2012
For the record, I made an online request to meet with the blogger, gwinnettbuzz two weeks ago when I saw this artlicle. He has yet to respond. So he has formed on opinion of me without communicating with me in any form or fashion. I provided my cell number and email address. He is clearly a Tommy supporter and prefers someone already tied to the county. I am neither.
That's OK but remember he's not a journalist. He has an agenda.
American Patriot
11:11 am on Saturday, May 26, 2012
After reading the buzz the for several years I think it is clear he would naturally be a Tommy Hunter supporter. The buzz is very big on property rights for all and small government. Those are key hallmarks of Tommy Hunter. I believe he supported Hunter as I did for the district 4 seat even though we both live in district 3. And yes I think it is safe to say that we all have an agenda when posting our opinions. Mine is to get a true conservative in office. Not one that uses a party to get elected then changes their tune once in office. I also want a candidate that has a broader view of things. Not just someone who opposes a specific project. The airport may get approved and then again it may not. Either way there will be many more issues to deal with and I think Tommy will represent us well. I hope the buzz does reach out to you to see if his first impression is correct. Maybe he is wrong but with due respect I don't think so. I'll keep getting his posts for updates.
M.K. Osborne
12:16 pm on Saturday, May 26, 2012
I dont want an insider that has networked with the same bunch that is causing the problems and discontent in County Government . Tommy was appointed by Kenerly for the water and sewer authority , must have been random out of the phone book . and John Heard Appointed him i guess because he was camping out for it . Of course he is in the thick of the puppeteers , I think Charles Ashworth is on the water and sewer board also ,Let me think..... oh yeah i seen that name on the Grand Jury Report . I think its great you support Tommy ,but dont blow smoke up my butt because ive been here too long !
J. Morley
8:43 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Kevin sorry to inform you, but Kennerly has never appointed Tommy to anything. Mike Beadreau was the guy that appointed Tommy to the W&SA. I wonder why Beadreau would appoint Tommy to anything? He had just beat Tommy soundly in that race. So nice try in trying to make that connection! http://www.electtommy.com/
American Patriot
3:11 pm on Saturday, May 26, 2012
Kevin I will say that I have had the same thoughts you have when it comes to electing so called insiders. I have been here a very long time also and know that we need someone who has some idea of how government works. It's even better when that person has the same views you as to what government should be doing i.e protect personal property rights and individual liberty. I have never heard Mike Korom mention anything about either. I think Charlotte Nash is a good example of what people thought was an insider. Everyone thought if she was elected it would be the same as having Bannister or Wayne Hill. I was opposed to her for the very same reasons you state. However after taking a long hard look her and getting beyond the rhetoric I decided she was the best choice on the ballot. In my opinion she has done a good job up to this point. Nothing against Mike Korom but he is not a very deep thinker. He is all about one issue that someone else had to make him aware of. That's not leadership to me.
M.K. Osborne
7:36 pm on Saturday, May 26, 2012
I disagree on the fact that Mr Korom is not a deep thinker and a one issue man ,Think about it , that would make Tommy a no issue man . Tommy deals with items as part of a group he is appointed to , Mr Korom gets involved as a every day citizen . Now personally i dont jump on every issue myself but this one is the mother of all bearing down that will forever change the path of this County , and in my opinion in a very negative way.Patriot i appreciate your comments but agree to disagree.
American Patriot
1:06 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Fair enough.
J. Morley
9:27 pm on Saturday, May 26, 2012
Everyone has a agenda Mr. Korom. Mine is to make sure Tommy Hunter wins this race! You and Beaudreau had an agenda with this whole deal. I thinks it's so funny how it hasn't and wont be factor in this race. Beaudreau hated to see Tommy enter this race! He used you to do the dirty work, a great example of AGENDA! http://www.electtommy.com/
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
1:20 am on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Mr Korom has challenged a few more policies than just the airport as a recent Cell Tower development seems to be on many of his replies of "what not to do" as just one example. The issues Mr. Korom lists indicates he DOES know how government is SUPPOSED to work and he appears to be running as a STEWART for his district, not "what can I can get away with under the letter of the law?"
I too would like to hear more from Mr Korom on zoning matters and the process he would use in evaluation/interpretation of existing restrictions and how he would determine those eligible for relaxation. Its always done on a "case by case basis" by law, but multiple cases provide insight to trends. For instance, how do CIDs and overlay districts in effect override O+I buffers around existing housing developments?
PLEASE remember the Church and Transfer Station dust up off Beaver Ruin Rd.
This is one of my concerns about Mr. Hunter's service on the planning commission as he and Commissioner Heard have presided over a notable number of relaxations or outright REMOVAL of individual existing zoning conditions, without really offering explanations as to why.
Should Tommy take that philosophy to District 3, it may have an effect that residents would be unprepared for if they don't check the history first.
Tim Sullivan
10:58 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
So true "R" I know Mike fought hard on the behest of the Vietnamese Catholic Church to defeat the transfer station. With Tommy's ideas on land use he would have been all for it. It's a philosophy thing; he believes an owner should be able to do whatever they desire with their land. A local resident told me of his meeting with Tommy when he ran two years ago. This fellow has a home off of Hamilton Mill, two lots into the subdivision. He told me (and I am paraphrasing) that Tommy said he would in no way oppose a rezoning of property on Hamilton Mill to Higher density. The fellow said he felt like Tommy was promising him a rezoning in exchange for his vote.
M.K. Osborne
12:40 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
J morley , so he was living in district 3 , i thought since he was living in district 4 at the time it would be Kenerly since he was at that time the Commissioner . Dont flatter yourself and nice try on trying to bust me on trying to make a connection , you did that for me . taaaa daaaaa
J. Morley
2:57 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Tommy lived in district three from 2000-2008. He moved to district 4 on Sept. 2008, and will be back in district 3 in 2013. I'm not trying to flatter my self at all. I usually don't post or say anything unless I know what I'm talking about. You seemed to know so much about Tommy that I assumed you did your homework before you posted. It is very apparent that you did not. You assumed something and I pointed out the fact the you had no idea what your talking about. Or you purposely tried to make a connection that wasnt reality. @R Please give me one example where Tommy made a relaxation.
Tim Sullivan
11:02 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
J., ya Tommy moved, he moved to run for commissioner when kevin retired, or would have had he not been run out of office on a Rail. Tommy told me he actually went to speak with Kevin for his support and blessing once it was rumorred Kevin wasn't running again. Ya he has an agenda.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
7:06 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Meeting minutes don’t go back very far on the website, first “chips” from the bag.
http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/static/departments/planning/pdf/2011_activity/rz201104_minutes.pdf TUESDAY, APRIL 19, 2011 AT 7:00 P.M.
CASE NUMBER :CIC2010-00017 (PUBLIC HEARING HELD 12-7-2010)
APPLICANT :3664 PROPERTIES, LLCZONING :R-ZT
LOCATION :2700 - 2800 BLOCK OF TUSCANY PARK DRIVE
:400 - 500 BLOCK OF TUSCANY WALK LANE
:500 - 600 BLOCK OF ROCK SPRINGS ROAD
MAP NUMBER :R7148 351; 423; 424; 426; 429 thru 438; & R7149 323
thru 330; 335 thru 350; 354 ACREAGE :9.74 ACRES
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT :CHANGE IN CONDITIONS TO REDUCE DWELLING
SIZE AND REVISE REQUIRED BUILDING MATERIALS
UNITS :39 UNITS COMMISSION DISTRICT :(4) HEARD
DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION :DENIAL
PC Action: Approval with Conditions Motion: Hunter Second: Dixon
Vote: 8-1 (Peed opposed)
TUESDAY, JANUARY 3, 2012 AT 7:00 P.M.
http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/static/departments/planning/pdf/2012_activity/rz201201_minutes.pdf
8. CASE NUMBER :RZC2012-00003
APPLICANT :LINDFIELD HOLDINGS, LLC
CONTACT :WILLIAM K. DAVIDSON
PHONE NUMBER :770.853.1000
ZONING :O-I TO C-2 LOCATION :1300 BLOCK OF SCENIC HIGHWAY
MAP NUMBER :R5074 100 ACREAGE :0.75 ACRE
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT :COMMERCIAL / RETAIL USES (REDUCTION IN BUFFERS) SQUARE FEET :2,200 SQUARE FEET COMMISSION DISTRICT :(3) BEAUDREAU DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION :DENIAL
PC Action: Denial Motion: Cantrell Second: Warbington Vote: 7-1 (Hunter opposed Denial?)
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
7:09 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
TUESDAY, MAY 1, 2012 AT 7:00 P.M.
http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/static/departments/planning/pdf/2012_activity/rz201205_minutes.pdf
5. CASE NUMBER :CIC2012-00004
APPLICANT :MARK BENNETT
PHONE NUMBER :404.925.5872 or 770.995.8697
ZONING :R-ZT
LOCATION :1600 BLOCK OF KINGSLEY COURT
MAP NUMBER :R7072 277
ACREAGE :0.37 ACRE
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT :CHANGE IN CONDITIONS TO REDUCE REQUIRED
BUFFER
COMMISSION DISTRICT :(1) LASSETER
DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION :APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS
PC Action: Denied Motion: Thorndyke Second: Winters
Vote: 7-2 (Hunter and Dixon opposed denial)
Dacula Patch Pawn Shop article
http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/static/departments/planning/pdf/2011_activity/rz201109_minutes.pdf
Planning Commission Agenda
September 6, 2011
Page 7
18. CASE NUMBER :SUP2011-00049
APPLICANT :USA MONEY SERVICES
CONTACT :MITCH PEEVY
PHONE NUMBER :770.614.6511
ZONING :C-2
LOCATION :2500 BLOCK OF HAMILTON MILL ROAD
MAP NUMBER :R1001 022
ACREAGE :2.80 ACRES
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT :PAWN SHOP
SQUARE FEET :1,658 SQUARE FEET
COMMISSION DISTRICT :(4) HEARD
DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION :APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS
PC Action: Approved w/Conditions Motion: Dixon Second: Hunter
Vote: 7-2 (voted in opposition Warbington/Cantrell)
J. Morley
10:34 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
Al of those meetings are recorded and are on the county's website. Then you could see full reasoing behind each decision.
M.K. Osborne
8:38 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
J morley , I made an honest mistake by going by districts and commissioners , you set me straight with your knowledge of your candidate , i really dont care , i just wanted to know WHO appointed him to what when he was in a district . Dont be so paranoid .I am trying to Learn about Tommy ,I dont want to write a book about him.
J. Morley
10:45 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
This is what you said...... "Tommy was appointed by Kenerly for the water and sewer authority , must have been random out of the phone book . and John Heard Appointed him i guess because he was camping out for it " Just trying to keep the facts based on truth. I wasnt trying to be hard just trying to get my point across. This whole story is all about mud slinging just trying to keep it honest. Beaudreau sent Korom an email, and here we are. Call Tommy he would love to talk to you, and you could learn all you want to know. Please dont think I'm trying to be hard. Thast not my intention. Just trying to keep it on real facts.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
11:58 pm on Sunday, May 27, 2012
This story really isn't about mud slinging, but the ability to face the truth. Facts need to be corrected as appropriate so we all get a better picture. Give the voters the truth and let them determine what's a non starter.
@R Please give me one example where Tommy made a relaxation.
Come on there now Mr. J Morley...
You asked for 1 case and I posted 4 out of a very abbreviated action list - because of what's available on the web site doesn't go back very far. If you can find the stenographer's records for a word to word report, please help by posting here so we all indeed know. This is a fair number of "reduced requirement" cases with content ranging from buffers to materials. A number of these case types were from earlier compromises that were hard fought by neighborhoods the FIRST time around. Some of these items were denied by the over all group, but Tommy voted against the denials.
Buffers are a pet peeve of mine because of so many cases where a significant stand of brush on a strip got plowed under for a stand of 4ft pines but I digress...
NOBODY is perfect and buyer beware...
(Lifted glass) And here's to keeping it real from ALL sides.
J. Morley
12:19 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
You can watch the whole discussion on each issue in HD. But you are correct sir, nobodys perfect.......Hinse there is a reason for every vote he made. I hope to see y'all at Dacula days! http://www.electtommy.com/
Tim Sullivan
11:06 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
J, there is really nothing on Tommy's web site. It will be interesting to see it when it is no longer i"Comming Soon"
Kristi Reed
6:30 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
There are two very important cases concerning the Hamilton Mill area of Dacula on the planning commission agenda for July. We'll all get to see for ourselves how Mr. Hunter votes regarding relaxation of conditions. R mentioned the pawn shop case (another Hamilton Mill area case) which was interesting to me because of how the vote was split. That shop is technically in district 4 (for now), but has a greater impact on district 3 residents. Our district 3 planning commissioners (Warbington/Cantrell) were the only ones to vote against it.
North Georgia Weather
6:59 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
Why doesn't Tommy and Mike B come on here and debate with everyone??? Chicken???
At least Korom had the guts to talk and debate. Ahhh, but wait... a true politician doesn't engage his constituents, that would be way too risky. Instead they play games and keep everyone guessing where they are coming from, or hide behind some slick ad campaign while others espouse the glory of their beloved candidate.
Gutless wonders.
J. Morley
8:41 am on Monday, May 28, 2012
Korom is a poiltician. Every vote Tommy made can be viewed online. Go watch the video and then you can judge him based on why he voted the way he did. I would love to see Beaudreau and Tommy debate. As far as I'm concerned Tommy is the only candiddate with a fighting chance to beat Beaudreau.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
12:04 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
“FULL site coming SOON?” WOW that’s a serious entry alright…
J actually this last post is somewhat misleading ...
The planning commission VIDEOS only cover 2012. There were many votes of interest from 2011 that I can't find but that’s beside the point. Folks need to see for themselves before THEY vote and then they can ask for details at a public forum. As noted by a post on Peachpundit, ANYONE asking for your vote is by definition a POLITICIAN – it’s just some haven’t held office before.
Tim Sullivan
11:09 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
"R" what folks need to do and what they should have been doing all along is actually going to a planning commission meeting. "J" it would take way too much time for somebody to go back and watch a year's worth of meetings. No one has the time. But if you do you can see Tommy fully reclined in his chair, feet, probably, on the desk and his head below the dias where he can't be seen.
B Carroll
12:19 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
Some of you should learn about Tommy before you condemn him. Tommy is a dedicated husband and father. He is a Sunday School teacher. He will not win votes by telling you what you want to hear, and then telling the next person something different because it is what they want to hear.
Tommy speaks straight and does what he thinks is best for the county. You may not like his thoughts, but you may be looking at the situation VERY narrowly - the micro view of the immediate impact on a few residents rather than the macro view of how a decision will effect the majority of Gwinnett citizens. I've known Tommy to listen to everyone on an issue, research it, and tell you straight up what he has decided and why, and you can expect him to vote that way.
The 2004 reprimand is 8 years old and only 1 side of the story. I'm not saying it's wrong, because I wasn't there and don't know personally. What I do know is that when I worked in the corporate world, every evaluation allowed my supervisor and myself to document our individual input so both points of view were on the same record.
A more timely and relevant issue as to how Tommy plans to serve the citizens is to look at his attendance record on the Planning Commission. I believe he missed ONE meeting due to a family vacation. He's shown up and represented.
For those of you who claim he's an insider, stop and ask yourself if Tommy was happy with the same old politics, why would he challenge an incumbent?
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
2:22 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
@ B Well just to amplify your points …
We ALREADY have a “family man” in the commission seat of district 3.
He claims to be a CONSERVATIVE.
He too attends church and tells you what he thinks, at least according to him.
He too rarely misses meetings.
He too takes a MACRO view of county business.
I consider zoning actions both at the MICRO level and MACRO level; because these actions indicate which way we are going as an ENTIRE county. They don’t get the big headlines most of the time UNLESS it impacts your “piece of the world” but by then the little people are usually screwed. 90 percent of the time it TAKES MAJOR efforts to inject the smallest changes …
The 2004 reprimand is a view into the man BEFORE he considered running for office. When creating a résumé for the private sector you go back 10 years if you have work history, so YES it is indeed relevant, it’s not like we are going back to the High School. It could BRIEFLY be explained or apologized for and THEN DROPPED - BUT if the only rebuttal is dismissive, it becomes a red flag. (A little redder each time)
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
2:23 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
“Why would he challenge an incumbent?” Frankly I’m not sure at this point, why enter so late? If Beaudreau appointed him, they are at least on speaking terms.
Quite frankly, I haven’t seen ANYTHING that phases Beaudreau, the Grand Jury couldn’t even get his attention for long, he either likes (it/you) or pretends (it/you) aren’t there…
So any claims that he’s afraid of Tommy ….. Well there is ALWAYS hope.
No one posting here is CONDEMNING him, but questioning? Yep and that’s a GOOD thing.
“My opponent is more interested in spreading false accusations than discussing important issues of this campaign,” Hunter wrote.
Since EVERYONE admits the letter actually exists HOW can this be a FALSE accusation? I’m happy that Tommy has friends out there dedicated enough to help out in his effort but the June gathering of the candidates hopefully will be interesting. This is MUCH more than “I’m NOT the guy in office” vote.
For the record, GA Pundit (NOT to be confused with Peachpundit) announced that with the addition of Hunter to the race, it’s formally a “Clown car primary” in District 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clown_car
M.K. Osborne
5:36 pm on Monday, May 28, 2012
correction per J morely ,"Tommy was appointed by Beaudreau, for the water and sewer authority , must have been random out of the phone book . Thanks for the correction !
GregRodgers
8:58 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
Seems to me that the only reason Tommy may be in the race is to pull votes away from Mike Korom.
People are sheep...they pull the lever on the name that is most popular. Unfortunately, when you water down the field the most recognizable name ends up with the most votes.
Tommy is pulling for Beaudreau.
I hope people can see through the smoke screen. Vote Mike Korom...btw...J Morely...since when was Mike K ever a politician?
The only insiders in this race are Beaudreau and Hunter
Ed Varn
9:23 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
Excellent observation, Greg. I've been thinking the same thing. Korom picks up some momentum and Der Komissar's buddy suddently pops into the race.
Tim Sullivan
11:16 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
Nope Greg not at all. Tommy is running in his third election, he despiratly wants to be commissioner. He is no Stalking Horse. I've heard Tommy's tenure on the sewer & water board was very devisive and I believe Commissioner Beaudreau ended up regretting appointing Tommy.
Tim Sullivan
11:17 am on Wednesday, May 30, 2012
ED nope, there is no way the two are Buddies. If they were he would have helped Tommy when he ran for District 4 two years ago.
J. Morley
9:01 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012
Thats not news Tim I know for a fact that Beaudreau supported JohnHeard and helped him win that seat.
Tim Sullivan
9:08 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012
It is easy to say so without any evidence. care to share what you claim to know?
J. Morley
9:59 pm on Thursday, May 31, 2012
Beaudreaa just happen to knock on one my family members door in Lawrenceville 2010. You say he wasnt supporting Hunter so he had to be supporting Heard.
Tim Sullivan
1:47 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
J in the District 4 campaign there were 5 folks running, Tommy, Ron Silver, Gerald Cagle who was the stalking horse, John Hunter and myself. If Commissioner Beaudreau knocked on any doors it was in support of my Candidacy. I was in the Runoff with John Heard, lost by two hundred and sixtyish votes. I believe I could have won had I jumped on the Anti-Airport bandwagon. But I didn't. My position was and remains that we needed to proceed with the study, get all the facts in line and then make a decision and put the issue to rest once and for all. I pledged that if in the final analysis it would make things louder, traffic worse, property values decline etc as the naysayers claim, then my vote was against it. If it in the end it was no nosier or even quieter, traffic could be improved, home values wouldn't be adversely effected, if there was $$$ to buy out anyone who would be harmed then my decision would be to engage the citizens of district 4 in a series of informative Town Hall like meetings and vote according to their wishes.
M.K. Osborne
1:55 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
And then Heard turns around and appoints Tommy to the planning commission . Makes sense .
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
2:09 pm on Friday, June 1, 2012
Tim,
You are correct - you just might have won.
And theres always next cycle.
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
2:11 am on Friday, June 1, 2012
Well J, I think did you just stepped in it on THAT one …
Points go to Tim "Sully" Sullivan for sportsmanlike conduct above and beyond the call. Personally, I'd have slammed this guy six ways to Sunday! Well played indeed!
(Hat Tip)
R++ - One of the famous "Dacula Crew"
2:44 am on Friday, June 1, 2012
So now I wonder how Mr. Hunter and Mr. Fanning collate in voting - if at all? We can see the agendas from 2011 Zoning Board of Appeals on the county website, anybody know how to get to the meeting minutes from 2011 to see the actual votes?
http://dacula.patch.com/articles/county-commissioner-facing-bribery-charges
"In multiple meetings, Lasseter and Fanning told the undercover agent that Lasseter’s approval and vote regarding the proposed development was for sale.
They also told the undercover agent that Fanning could use his position as a member of the Zoning Appeals Board to help secure any necessary approvals or variances," the press release stated.
Cynthia Montgomery
12:43 am on Sunday, June 10, 2012
GENTLEMAN, GENTLEMEN, GENTLEMEN, Why if I did not know better I would think I was listening to 5 women at the pool discussing the latest neighbor who is stepping out on her man! Mercy me, how you men do gossip! I can't believe I am saying this but for once I am leaning towards FLOYDS comments! Don't get in huff; R, Kevin, Tim and Ed. I have not reached a decision as to whom will get my vote and I like that! The reality is, there is a CHOICE this year! The reality is, there is a DIFFERENCE this year. The reality is there is a DEBATE between these four candidates this Thursday evening at the Stars and Strikes in Dacula at 6pm. I have spoken to each candidate and can say each have presented themselves as honest, concerned, polite, and energetic about this election. It is easy to cast comments if you have not met or spoken to them. It is easy to sass them on the internet behind the wall of the obscurity. Open your minds and your IPhones and make a date to attend the debate and vote for your candidate. We will also be registering voters. If you have a friend or young adult that is not a voter, be a good citizen and bring them by and enjoy a slice of American Politics at its finest. Mike, Tommy, Jerry and Mike will all be there answering your questions in person. Come be a concerned citizen in addition to being a Rapid Ready Replier on the Patch! See you there!
Tim Sullivan
2:22 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
I'll be there, it is on my calender. Cynthia I believe there is somewhere to RSVP for the event. Do you have a link?
Cynthia Montgomery
6:43 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
It is on the Hamilton Mill Nextdoor Neighbor site, I think you have to live in Hamilton Mill to be able to get on the site. Email Kristi for more information about the site. We will be seating people on a first come basis. We will only reserve 30 seats. Five for each candidate's family members and 10 for media and MMDO members. The site has that reservation click off on every event. I will check to see if anyone has clicked for a reservation, I have not been notified as of yet by the site. Thank you for the heads up. I look forward to meeting you at the debate. Do you have a question for ALL the candidates we might use?
Tim Sullivan
6:59 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
Must be a different event then.... Is this the one at Stars & Stripes, of another one?
Kristi Reed
8:07 pm on Sunday, June 10, 2012
@Tim - Here is the information Cynthia posted on Dacula Patch about the event: http://dacula.patch.com/events/2012-your-vote-counts-dinner-debate