Which Way Would You Run?

I pray we never have to choose again to be free men or slaves.

"With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverance employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live as slaves." -- John Dickinson and Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of the Cause and Necessity of Taking up Arms, 1775

How many of you while staring down the barrel of a soldier’s rifle would make the same vow as did these brave souls 237 years ago? I pray we never have to choose again to be free men or slaves. I am of the mind that our soldiers, police and their leaders would not arrest us for being obedient citizens while following the constitution. I choose to believe the generals of our nation’s armed forces would not turn on the citizenry. 

We should concern ourselves with making the political changes necessary with great expediency at the ballot box in order for this action to never again to reach this fever pitch. If that does not work then we shall see the resolve of the modern American in comparison. 

Reflect on some of the words used by these men to describe their passion: “hearts fortified,” “solemnly,” “before God and the world,” “in defiance of every hazard,” “unabating firmness and perseverance” and “being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live as slaves.” 

Belief in God, fellow man, and freedom does not run much deeper than that which these men were willing to bravely sacrifice themselves for. 

--Steve Ramey, American, USMC Vietnam Veteran & freedom lover, 30 October 2012.

Semper Fidelis et Vigilo!  

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Brian Crawford October 30, 2012 at 05:19 PM
The mere fact that you have access to a ballot box is a pretty good indication that you're not enslaved....yet. Of course in a Democratic system not every vote is going to go your way and your candidate may not always win. It is your patriotic duty as an American to accept that. If you're unhappy with a political outcome, then work cooperatively for change. This talk about taking up arms against your fellow Americans is childish and irresponsible. If you are truly worried about your freedom then you best be concerned about those who want to restrict access to the ballot and diminish the power of the individual by granting personhood to corporations.
Amy L October 30, 2012 at 05:33 PM
"We should concern ourselves with making the political changes necessary with great expediency at the ballot box in order for this action to never again to reach this fever pitch. If that does not work then we shall see the resolve of the modern American in comparison." If you really believe that the police and military wouldn't turn their guns on us, then why do you say in the very next paragraph that political change is necessary to avoid a repeat of the Revolutionary War? The Republican party has been drifting further and further to the right since the GOP was established. This has accelerated greatly with the wins by the Tea party in 2010. The Democratic party HAS NOT answered with an equal polarization to the left. If anything, they have become more centrist by adopting ideas abandoned by the Republicans in their race to the right.
George Wilson October 30, 2012 at 09:42 PM
Here are some comments on the atheists that inspired the American Revolution,Thomas Paine. As the author of two highly influential pamphlets at the start of the American Revolution, he inspired the America Patriots in 1776 to declare independence from Britain. His principal contributions were the powerful, widely read pamphlet Common Sense (1776), the all-time best-selling American book that advocated colonial America's independence from the Kingdom of Great Britain, and The American Crisis (1776–83), a pro-revolutionary pamphlet series. Common Sense was so influential that John Adams said, "Without the pen of the author of Common Sense, the sword of Washington would have been raised in vain." He became notorious because of The Age of Reason (1793–94), his book that advocates deism, promotes reason and freethinking, and argues against institutionalized religion in general and Christian doctrine in particular. He also wrote the pamphlet Agrarian Justice (1795), discussing the origins of property, and introduced the concept of a guaranteed minimum income. He died on June 8, 1809. Only six people attended his funeral as he had been ostracized for his ridicule of Christianity.
Tammy Osier October 30, 2012 at 10:32 PM
Sorry Amy. 30 years ago, we ere able to abort a baby when it was "just a bunch of cells". The left has moved fromthat to a full term child being aborted as it comes out of its mothers womb. And now there is legislation that says (I believe obama voted for it) that says, because of the mother's "rights", If the baby survives, it is to be left to die .Yeah, David, that's about as far left as you can get. Let's not get off track and respond to Steve's post, shall we? I understand what he's saying. Freedom doesn't jut 'happen". They fought for it, we have to fight to maintain it. Is that what you're trying to say, Steve?
Tammy Osier October 30, 2012 at 10:35 PM
On second thought...you're also asking if we still have the kind of patriotism that would fight to the death if we truly found ourselves in a position that we might lose our liberty. Steve, who was it that said something to the effect that a democracy only lasts about 200 years before it begins to fall apart?
STEVE RAMEY October 31, 2012 at 12:51 PM
From an article by Paul Zaines--Below is a quote from Professor Alexander Tyler: “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse doe to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” The liberals in congress, typically but not always found in the Democratic party, are simply following a tradition clearly discussed over 200 years ago. Our democracy is mature and past the 200 year cycle predicted by history. Professor Tyler went on to say the following about the 8 steps that a democracy goes through: 1.From bondage to spiritual faith; 2.From spiritual faith to great courage; 3.From courage to liberty; 4.From liberty to abundance 5.From abundance to complacency; 6.From complacency to apathy; 7.From apathy to dependence; 8.From dependence back into bondage
PTwiss October 31, 2012 at 02:18 PM
How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Take away your business with arbitrary regulation and enforcement... Take away you land with public projects or for the friends of the government... Take away you money with increased tax. The use your taxes to harass with frivolous claims... The same men that stood up to the guns are dieing today... Mohamed Bouazizi's self-immolation in protest of police corruption and ill treatment. Roswell Chicken Man, Andrew Wordes who tried to fight back against government abuse ended when died after burning down his home All while the cowards stand around looking and saying its so sad... They will leave you with your guns... for now
George Wilson October 31, 2012 at 06:23 PM
@Steve Ramey I don't think the professors theory applies at all It is not the people voting for increased benefits but the Military Industrial complex and the top 1%.The empirical evidence suggests that most of the income increases over the last ten years have gone to the top 10%.I would also suggest that the professors platitudes are nothing more than bulls***t that has been used to keep the common man or the middle class down and to justify the corporate welfare payments from the treasury. The liberals did leave a budget surplus until Bush and the Republicans started two unpaid wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc.
George Wilson October 31, 2012 at 06:31 PM
@Brian Crawford The Citizens United Supreme Court decision was the worst blow to liberty in this country than some government program to aid its citizens. The idea that our democracy is now under attack and can be bought by plutocrats and multi- national corporations is appalling. What is worst is the lack of recognition of this fact by many of our citizens including many of the people who make comments on Patch.
Tammy Osier October 31, 2012 at 10:38 PM
When I read th part about voting money for themselves from the public treasury, I can't help but think about how being a senator used to be a second, temporary job. Now they make, what, in the 3 figures? Oh, and if nancy pelosi, ask for you own personal jet.
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew November 01, 2012 at 02:50 AM
@ GEORGE PLEASE wake up ... one of your WARS above was started by the group led by the man your presidential candidate REPEATEDLY claims to have taken out. You may not have cared for Iraq, but stop shoveling this talking point
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew November 01, 2012 at 02:59 AM
While the EPA will focus on the environmental impact of the bullets used, everyone knows their regulations aren't screened very much by the executive branch...
George Wilson November 01, 2012 at 03:01 AM
@R My point was that we should have paid for these wars instead of running up the debt.
jdstone November 01, 2012 at 07:49 PM
Perspectives Mr. Ramey, you have a most interesting, if somewhat distorted perspective of history. You cite both John Dickinson and Thomas Jefferson as champions of freedom, yet you ignore their hypocrisy. Dickinson did not free any of his slaves until two years after he penned the passage you have cited. Jefferson owned hundreds of slaves, and never freed a single one. We know now from his history with Sally Hemmings, that he was not above sexually exploiting the women he enslaved. Freedom to these men meant freedom for white male landowners. I see this philosophy appeals to you. The Tea Party would revise and rationalize history to make our forefathers infallible deities. We don’t need you to clean up history for us. We are willing to acknowledge the human frailties that afflicted the people who founded our country and move forward from there. If someone today boards a commercial vessel, near Somalia, and commits an act of piracy to advance a political cause we call it terrorism. Because it happened in Boston Harbor, and it serves your purpose better to clean it up, you call it a “tea party”. The actors were patriots not terrorists, because you find the reality of history is too difficult to admit. Your entire organization has been established in homage to an act of terrorism. Good Work! If you choose to invoke history as a basis for your view of the world, you have an obligation to report it accurately and completely. Don’t be such a hypocrite.
David Brown November 01, 2012 at 09:05 PM
jdstone, you bring up some good points. The treatment of minorities and the powerless by "god-fearing Amercians" during our country's history was a stench in the nostrils of God. For instance, the first private schools here in the south were established by white "Christians" when the courts ordered desegregation of public schools. I could go on, but I'll stop here.
C.J. November 01, 2012 at 09:56 PM
RE: "We should concern ourselves with making the political changes necessary with great expediency at the ballot box in order for this action to never again to reach this fever pitch. If that does not work then we shall see the resolve of the modern American in comparison." Steve, Please elaborate. If you lose at the ballot box (and you will), precisely how does such resolve of the "modern American" manifest itself?
Truth Invites Examination November 04, 2012 at 09:26 PM
To the posters here who are trying to hold Steve R. accountable for his remarks: Good work! He knows that the uninformed, gullible folks will bait their hooks with ignorance & naïveté, land a slippery fish like Steve, & call him a "prized catch." He likes it that way. Steve caters to the many who he knows won't check his "facts" or call him out on his disinformation. But, if you dare to do that, expect the usual reactions from someone who can't defend an indefensible position: rudeness, personal attacks, diversions from the original topic, & lots of reminders that he served in Viet Nam.
Steve R. November 04, 2012 at 09:33 PM
I have made no (ZERO) comments on this thread. Now I am being called out by a first time contributor? Hummm!
Sabrina Smith November 04, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Anyone who knows Steve knows he is a man of integrity. He is well-respected by those who know him. Steve: The person posting is not even worth a moment of your consideration. I hope you enjoy your evening.
Crystal Huskey (Editor) November 04, 2012 at 10:53 PM
Steve R., I think he's referring to Steve Ramey, above...
Steve R. November 04, 2012 at 11:00 PM
Yea Crystal, I know. Just trying to be funny.
R++ One of the Famous Dacula Crew November 04, 2012 at 11:06 PM
@ George There's not much room to dispute that point since LBJ proved "guns and butter" game didn't work as planned back in the 60's.
Crystal Huskey (Editor) November 04, 2012 at 11:12 PM
Oops, sorry :)
Chris November 04, 2012 at 11:21 PM
George, your hero could have ended both wars day one. How has he paid for it? You often sound just like David Axel-NIMROD. You both abuse oxygen but never have substance. You never say anything of sense that shows failure on the part of Bush and Obama. It’s like you’re watching an edited version of this reality show we’re all living. Good God man, I sure hope you don’t believe half of that substance you’re shoveling. The deranged and malevolent left crucified GWB for being an adult and a statesman; they lionize Obama for being an adolescent demagogue.
Tammy Osier November 05, 2012 at 12:57 AM
Sabrina S., absolutely agree with you. My mother always said, "consider the source when you hear an accusation". Generally, on here, when you hear someone come against someone of integrity, you'll note that they can't not be critical to the point of name calling and making up things. I ignore them as well. But sometimes my finger gets tired of scrolling through so many trolls. lol


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